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If Apple is Ordered to Unlock iPhone for FBI, Some Engineers Might Refuse to Help
MacRumors ^ | Mar 17, 2016 2:05 pm PDT | Juli Clover

Posted on 03/17/2016 6:58:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Should the FBI win its ongoing legal battle with Apple, resulting in the Cupertino company being ordered to unlock the iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, some Apple engineers may decide not to cooperate with law enforcement.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: apple; fbi
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Remember, a business is just people. "Force Apple to unlock the phone" many say. If those people capable of doing what the FBI demands refuse to, what then?
1 posted on 03/17/2016 6:58:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

Engineers rule! (TaMoDee, BS, MS, 45 years on the job in the field, etc etc.)


2 posted on 03/17/2016 7:01:40 PM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2016!)
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What happens if an engineer screws up and inadvertently wipes (and I don’t me with a cloth, Hillary) the phone?

Prove it’s deliberate.

Prove it’s not.


3 posted on 03/17/2016 7:02:38 PM PDT by null and void (This is "They live", and most people would rather fight you than put on the glasses...)
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Remember, a business is just people. “Force Apple to unlock the phone” many say. If those people capable of doing what the FBI demands refuse to, what then?

I don’t want to even think the FBI are incapable of unlocking a phone - maybe something we haven’t been told?


4 posted on 03/17/2016 7:02:46 PM PDT by heterosupremacist ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson)
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“If Apple is Ordered to Unlock iPhone for FBI, Some Engineers Might Refuse to Help”

Well some will just go to federal prison.


5 posted on 03/17/2016 7:04:25 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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And they’d be patriots


6 posted on 03/17/2016 7:06:12 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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That isn’t going to keep you safe from being some dude’s patriot girlfriend.

Let Cook go to prison over this.


7 posted on 03/17/2016 7:08:00 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: ctdonath2

The government can force you to shovel dirt, break rocks, join the army and a lot of other things, but they can not force you to think.

No engineer is going to tell the government to go to hell,,,or at least I don’t think they will do any thing so dumb.

They will simply go to work every day and sit there waiting for 5:00 PM.

When the government bullies ask them when they will have the fix, they will simply tell them that they have not yet found the solution.

“Go away. I am thinking!”


8 posted on 03/17/2016 7:10:11 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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This won’t be the first and only time. “This is just a routine traffic stop sir...Insurance papers and your phone”.


9 posted on 03/17/2016 7:11:51 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Only a fool stumbles on things behind him.)
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I just got a phone call asking my opinion about this. I said that I was disappointed that Apple hasn’t willingly helped, but I don’t think they should be forced to help.

I also think the FBI should have engineers that could unlock the phones themselves.


10 posted on 03/17/2016 7:12:33 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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What if the FBI orders me to bench press 600 pounds ?


11 posted on 03/17/2016 7:13:38 PM PDT by jlindseyx42 (Namaste)
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To: heterosupremacist

Swordmaker and others keep explaining: real security, which the FBI can’t crack, does exist in the iPhone.


12 posted on 03/17/2016 7:16:38 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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Should the FBI win its ongoing legal battle with Apple, resulting in the Cupertino company being ordered to unlock the iPhone

Ahem.

The judge didn't order Apple to unlock one phone to the FBI.

They judge ordered Apple to provide a back-door to all iPhones.

13 posted on 03/17/2016 7:17:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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Engineers rule!

I disagree, but assuming you are correct, I would expect some Apple engineer to fiddle around and then claim the device is unlocked. If FBI doesn't have the assets to unlock the device, how would it know it wasn't unlocked?

It would know because it wouldn't be able to unlock other devices it held. No, I suspect FBI just wants a piece of Apple's proprietary work. Apple should tell the court that work is fairly priced at $380B.

14 posted on 03/17/2016 7:18:43 PM PDT by frog in a pot (That an NBC could be born in a foreign country to a foreign parent delights the one-world crowd.)
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I also think the FBI should have engineers that could unlock the phones themselves.

Educate yourself.

The judge didn't order Apple to unlock one iPhone.

The judge ordered Apple to provide a back-door to all iPhones so that the FBI can access any iPhone it chooses, whether it has a warrant or not.

Feel any differently now?

15 posted on 03/17/2016 7:19:44 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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To: old curmudgeon

13th Amendment violation. Involuntary servitude.


16 posted on 03/17/2016 7:24:21 PM PDT by henkster
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What if the FBI orders me to bench press 600 pounds ?

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Make sure you have an excellent spotter.


17 posted on 03/17/2016 7:24:37 PM PDT by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for Allah. The God I worship died for me. [Franklin Graham])
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To: jlindseyx42

Good analogy.
Cracking this is the mental equivalent of bench pressing 600 pounds: possible for a few not easily found or persuaded.
And Apple is making the next version a 60,000 pounds press.


18 posted on 03/17/2016 7:24:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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The judge ordered Apple to provide a back-door to all iPhones so that the FBI can access any iPhone it chooses, whether it has a warrant or not.

No, the warrant is just for the data in this one phone... the one the terrorists were using. Apple could comply without compromising anyone else's precious secrets, but they're using this as a marketing gimmick (plus they probably want to help protect the terrorists' contacts).

19 posted on 03/17/2016 7:25:45 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: frog in a pot

Engineers still rule! HOWEVER, I totally agree with the rest of your argument, well played.


20 posted on 03/17/2016 7:27:53 PM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2016!)
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