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FAIL: Ivanpah solar power plant not producing enough electricity, may be forced to close
Watts Up With That ^ | 17 March 2016 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 03/20/2016 5:49:47 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne

They should have bought panels from Solyndra.
oh wait, no, oh well
darn, it happened again.
Next time the bampster will get it right.
Or not. Hey, he was well intentioned,
that’s what matters.


21 posted on 03/20/2016 6:38:46 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Lorianne

How does an ignorant, uncapitalized serf get in on this scam ? I will guarantee a trillion kilowatts per whatever unit of time you need for a guaranteed loan of only 500 million dollars in small unserialized twenty dollar bills. I will contribute 1/5 of this loan to whatever campaign/charity/PAC/whatever is required. Thanks.


22 posted on 03/20/2016 6:47:20 PM PDT by jlindseyx42 (Namaste)
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To: Lorianne

It’s actually a new type of cremation oven for pro-life Christians.


23 posted on 03/20/2016 6:49:23 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: DoughtyOne
"Is this flawed technology? What gives?"

The plant was obsolete when it was built. This is always the problem with rapidly advancing technology. Because if the investors wait for technology to plateau, nothing ever gets built.

All it does is heat water to spin the turbine, so mornings and clouds cause problems, but they will continue to improve the operations and expand output as time goes by. In the meantime they use nat gas to supplement the solar.

Crescent Dunes solar plant heats the molten salts, which can heat the water or be stored as heat.

Solana solar plant heats the DowTherm oil which can heat the water to generate and/or heat the molten salts to store the heat.

Antelope Valley is a photovoltaic solar plant.

24 posted on 03/20/2016 6:52:23 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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25 posted on 03/20/2016 6:55:31 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: roadcat
I am no solar engineer....but it is readily apparent that the sun only shines about 8 hours a day at least at a level to generate power, assuming cloud-less days, and summer time....
26 posted on 03/20/2016 6:58:31 PM PDT by B212
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To: Ben Ficklin

Thank you Ben. I understand your thoughts on this. I appreciate it.


27 posted on 03/20/2016 7:01:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Rebelbase

Awesome!


28 posted on 03/20/2016 7:01:37 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: DoughtyOne

That’s right. Which is why I asked the rhetorical question, to make that point.

Solyndra is just the first of several Obama campaign funding operations by Board of Directors of crony capitalist/government loan backed “new energy” companies.

Keep the faith, DoughtyOne.


29 posted on 03/20/2016 8:18:07 PM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: bajabaja

I appreciate the point. Thank you.

You too...


30 posted on 03/20/2016 8:23:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Lorianne

please let it be so!


31 posted on 03/20/2016 8:29:55 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: B212
I am no solar engineer....but it is readily apparent that the sun only shines about 8 hours a day at least at a level to generate power, assuming cloud-less days, and summer time....

Likewise. I'm not the smartest tool in the toolshed, but I know the sun shines best at mid-day, and best in summer, on days when the sun is not obscured by clouds. And it takes energy to redirect the mirror positioning for less than ideal sunlight at the 7 hours that are not mid-day. At least with coal or natural gas, you can generate energy 24 hours a day - reliably. So this solar power plant naturally allows the boilers to cool off when the sun is not shining, and they need to be reheated daily to a boil by burning fossil fuels. Not so smart engineering.

32 posted on 03/20/2016 8:34:25 PM PDT by roadcat
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If it were only the one plant. Seems to be a systemic issue with solar thermal. In general, industrial solar optimum locations are removed geographically from the end user, requiring substantial super-voltage transmission lines to reach a customer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/business/international/once-a-darling-spanish-solar-company-abengoa-faces-reckoning.html?_r=2

http://watchdog.org/250161/solyndra-loans-abengoa-2/

https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/csp_roadmap.pdf


33 posted on 03/20/2016 9:40:21 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Lorianne

But NO ONE will be held accountable for this FU. It’s only the people’s money that got wasted and that is always justified ever after taxation was instituted.


34 posted on 03/20/2016 9:52:50 PM PDT by 353FMG
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“All it does is heat water to spin the turbine, so mornings and clouds cause problems, but they will continue to improve the operations and expand output as time goes by. “

So, they’ll fix the cloud problem, the morning problem, the night time problem, the dust on the 170,000 mirrors problem and the motors breaking on the 170,000 mirrors as time goes by?


35 posted on 03/20/2016 10:40:21 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: 353FMG

There is a very good reason private investors didn’t build these green plants THEY DON”T WORK.


36 posted on 03/20/2016 10:51:47 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Lorianne
A quick look with Google Earth reveals one of the reasons for failure: lousy construction & maintenance. A large fraction of the mirrors are out of position, and are not tracking with the functional ones...
37 posted on 03/21/2016 12:19:36 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah: Satan's current alias. "Obama": Allah's current ally...)
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Can you post the google earth link ?


38 posted on 03/21/2016 8:37:05 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Lorianne

Let there be darkness.


39 posted on 03/21/2016 9:41:11 PM PDT by 353FMG
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40 posted on 03/21/2016 9:46:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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