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Sanders, Trump, and Cruz all want dramatic changes to the US government. Clinton doesn’t.
Vox ^ | March 29, 2016 | Ezra Klein

Posted on 03/29/2016 10:20:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I spent some time Monday playing around with the excellent tax calculator that Alvin Chang and the Tax Policy Center built. The tool lets you estimate what the tax plans released by Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz would mean for your tax bill — but, more than that, it offers a window into the fundamental ways in which the four candidates are very, very different from one another.

Let's take a family making $100,000 — a hefty income, to be sure, but a useful one for illustration. Trump would give you a $6,040 tax cut. Cruz would give you a $3,290 tax cut. Clinton would raise your taxes by $70. Sanders would raise your taxes by $14,130. But that's the beginning, not the end, of the story.

The calculator: How much does each candidate's tax plan affect you?

What you see here is that Clinton is the candidate of something close to the status quo — she raises taxes on the rich by a bit, and cuts taxes on the poor by a bit, but the change is modest in both directions. The federal government under a Clinton administration would look much like it does under the Obama administration. The other candidates, however, are not candidates of the status quo.

Cruz and Trump are offering tax cuts of extraordinary size — and they haven't said a word about how they'll pay for them. The Tax Policy Center estimates Cruz's tax cut at more than $8 trillion and Trump's at more than $9 trillion. Trump's tax cut, amazingly, is equal to 45 percent of projected income tax revenue in the United States.

In a sense, both GOP candidates are gaming the calculator: They've proposed tremendous cuts, but without knowing who will pay for those cuts, it's hard to know who will truly be helped and who will be badly hurt. But if you assume those cuts would be paid for, then you have to assume fundamental change to the structure of the American state. (And if you assume they won't be paid for, then you have to assume everything Republicans have said about the dangers of deficits in recent years was a lie.)

To pay for his tax cut, Cruz would have to do something on the order of eliminating Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program, all federal education spending (including Pell Grants, K-12 subsidies, Head Start, etc.), all federal spending on justice (including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the federal court system, etc.), all international spending (close all embassies, zero out aid to Israel), all federal transportation systems, and all veterans spending. To pay for his tax cut, Trump would have to do everything Cruz did and then find another trillion dollars in savings.

So the three options, when evaluating Crux and Trump, is to believe they are lying about their tax plans, lying about their commitment to fiscal responsibility, or planning changes to the federal government that dwarf anything we've seen in memory. This is why the calculator is so useful — the radicalism of their agendas is obscured by the absence of details but revealed by the size of their tax cuts.

Sanders, meanwhile, proposes to raise taxes by more than Trump proposes to cut them. But it's wrong, I think, to view Sanders's plan as primarily a change to America's tax code. The huge tax increases are a byproduct of Sanders's plans to nationalize major sectors of American life.

In that way, Sanders is doing what Cruz and Trump are doing in reverse. Their tax plans reveal that they are dissolving massive swaths of the state into tax cuts; Sanders's plans speak to the fact that he's absorbing massive swaths of the private sector into the state. Unlike Cruz and Trump, of course, Sanders has been specific about his ideas — the biggest driver here by far is Sanders's single-payer health care plan, which would cost more than $10 trillion but which would be replacing an equal (and, if the plan succeeded in saving money, greater) amount being spent on private health care.

Sanders would also make huge investments in subsidizing public college tuition, upgrading America's infrastructure, expanding Social Security, and more. (Head here for a helpful list of Sanders's proposed programs and their pay-fors.)

As a rule, government spending is more progressive than the tax code that funds it. And so Cruz and Trump's tax and spending cuts would end up a regressive redistribution of money and services, while Sanders's tax and spending increases would be a sharply progressive redistribution of money.

But the price tags here clarify the reality of this election. The Republicans are down to two candidates who have a radically different vision of what the government should do; the Democrats are down to two candidates, one of whom has a radically different of vision of what the government should do, and another of whom offers broad continuity with what the government is doing now.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; ezraklein; hillary; obamacare; sanders; singlepayer; taxes; tedcruz; trump
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To: Mr. Mojo
That is correct, you pay for the tax cuts by cutting government spending.

No more of the supply side garbage!

21 posted on 03/29/2016 11:53:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Jim from C-Town

True-it is our money!


22 posted on 03/29/2016 11:56:09 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And that is why I am up at 1:30 am placing millions of dollars of real estate up for sale.

How scary are the times now?

Not waiting for a Trump or Cruz victory, since they are pounding the snot out of each other.

Gonna be Hill or Crazy ol Bernie.


23 posted on 03/30/2016 12:22:48 AM PDT by GeaugaRepublican ("Donald Trump is the last hope for America" Phyllis Schlafly)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How to pay for tax cuts?

What an idiot.

Cut the gov’t largesse, you dumb shiite .


24 posted on 03/30/2016 3:26:46 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has it gotten through to them no one sane believes the “who’s going to pay for this tax cut” garbage anymore?


25 posted on 03/30/2016 3:45:13 AM PDT by Read Write Repeat
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To: JoSixChip

Trump certainly won’t touch Social Security.

Unemployment won’t be necessary since this country needs to get back to work, and those jobs will pay way more than some unemployment check.


26 posted on 03/30/2016 4:01:54 AM PDT by Read Write Repeat
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To: JoSixChip

WTF you talking about? Many of us vets know more about work ethics and other qualities that make one successful - we don’t need snotty-nosed idiots talking down to us.


27 posted on 03/30/2016 4:14:55 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Mr. Mojo
they're frightened to death of the gov't cutting entitlement programs for the welfare leech class. Aka, the Democrat base.

Of course they are. The gibmedats gang is their guaranteed voter base. It's all about numbers/demographics now; issues no longer matter. There's a social compact between the RATS and the gibmedats: we give you free stuff and, in return, you show up at the polls once or twice a year. (not a bad deal, actually).

28 posted on 03/30/2016 5:02:51 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ezra Kline was the originator of JournOlist back in 2007/08, which was made up of about 300 “reporters” and bloggers who were actively campaigning for 0bama. It was his bunch that savaged Palin throughout the election, and even after she returned to Alaska.

He is scum.


29 posted on 03/30/2016 5:06:19 AM PDT by euram
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To: GeaugaRepublican

“Gonna be Hill or Crazy ol Bernie.”

I’m pretty sure not, but I understand why you’re nervous. It’s probably a good time to sell anyhow...


30 posted on 03/30/2016 5:39:58 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Cruz or Trump '16! JUST NOT A DEM!!!)
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To: euram

“Ezra Kline was the originator of JournOlist back in 2007/08, which was made up of about 300 “reporters” and bloggers who were actively campaigning for 0bama.”

Here’s the background on the scum fascist propagandists at Journolist. We seem to have a small number of people here on FR who have no problem cheering on the lies and propaganda from these leftist journolist snakes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2573077/posts


31 posted on 03/30/2016 6:21:49 AM PDT by sergeantdave ( If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: trebb
WTF you talking about? Many of us vets know more about work ethics

Save your fake outrage, there are enough drama queens on this site. My post specifically had nothing to do with vets. Good God it's like you people cannot read and comprehend a sigle sentence. And for your information, I served my time, and I'm sure I was serving my America while you were suckling at your mama.
32 posted on 03/30/2016 7:39:37 AM PDT by JoSixChip (Ted Cruz (R-Goldman Sachs) - If he's willing to lie about it, he's willing to be blackmailed over it)
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To: JoSixChip
Save your fake outrage, there are enough drama queens on this site. My post specifically had nothing to do with vets. Good God it's like you people cannot read and comprehend a sigle sentence. And for your information, I served my time, and I'm sure I was serving my America while you were suckling at your mama.

Seemed like you might be being a bit condescending to a vet: "As a former government employee, and I don’t mean the military, that is solely dependent on the government for everything you have and eat. It is not hard to understand why you are afraid of change. But I assure you, it is going to be okay."

How did you serve? I put in 24 years in uniform and another 15 working with/training those in uniform. If your claim about serving while I was suckling is accurate, you are in your 80's.

Perhaps instead of 'counseling" me on my "fake outrage" you should stop hiding behind the facade of false smugness and superiority.

33 posted on 03/31/2016 3:05:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Amendment10

One problem, the Constitution allows Congress to collect taxes to pay Debt. They have de facto subverted Gibbons v. Ogden by running up debt to pay for programs which should be the exclusive province of the States, then simply taxing to pay for that debt.

Game. Set. Match...


34 posted on 04/01/2016 8:00:02 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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