Posted on 03/30/2016 8:09:14 AM PDT by C19fan
All four early appointees of the rules committee for this year’s Republican convention told POLITICO they’re prepared to weaken or scrap a rule that could limit the convention’s alternatives to Donald Trump. The four took issue with a rule, originally imposed by Mitt Romney forces in 2012 to keep rival Ron Paul off the convention stage, requiring a candidate to win a majority of delegates in eight states to be eligible for the party’s nomination -- a threshold only Trump has exceeded so far. If preserved, the rule could block John Kasich or Ted Cruz from competing with Trump at the convention, set for July in Cleveland.
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“requiring a candidate to win a majority of delegates in eight states to be eligible for the party’s nomination — a threshold only Trump has exceeded so far.”
That’s BS. Cruz has won the majority of delegates in 8 states and tied Trump in another.
Name the states Cruz won a majority of delegates in.
It’s hilarious that they want to scrap this rule that they made in 2012!!
The justification for scrapping it now forces them to admit they were manipulating assholes in the 2012 convention! What assholes they were then and still are, and they admit it!! They are basically saying “we were such assholes in 2012 that we made an asshole rule, but now that asshole rule doesn’t favor us, so now we want to be assholes in the opposite way”.
Iowa
Oklahoma
Texas
Kansas
Louisiana
Maine
Idaho
Wyoming
Guam
Utah
Tied in Alaska.
So I stand corrected. Cruz has won the majority of delegates in 10 states.
Not true - majority of delegates in eight states, which means Cruz has to have won more delegates then all other candidates combined, in eight states. He hasn’t yet done that in eight states. He has so far: Texas, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas, Maine, and Wyoming.
Robert’s Rules sets out several methods of making nominations for positions.
An organization can nominate candidates in several ways:
By the chair
From the floor
By a nominating committee
By ballot
By mail
By petition
1) Nominations By The Chair
This method is used whenever the membership wants to rely on the presiding officer to recommend candidates. This method is applicable when:
Appointing members to committees, if specified in the motion creating the committee, or if prescribed in the bylaws
Electing a presiding officer in a mass meeting
2) Nominations From The Floor
Sometimes called open nominations, this method is probably the most familiar. It’s used in the vast majority of situations in which members elect their officers at a meeting. Your group’s rules and customs determine when floor nominations are accepted. Sometimes nominations aren’t taken until the election is pending, and sometimes they’re taken at other times, such as at a meeting before the election meeting.
The process of making floor nominations is subject to the following rules:
Recognition by the chair is not required to make a nomination. However, calling nominations from your seat is often impractical, so you may want to adopt a more formal nomination process.
Nominations don’t have to be seconded, but it’s not out of order for members to second a nomination to signal their endorsement.
A person can nominate himself or herself.
A member shouldn’t offer more than one nomination to a position if there are several seats for the same office — such as for nominees to a board or a committee — until all other members have had the opportunity to make nominations.
If the bylaws don’t prohibit it, a person can be nominated for more than one office and can even serve in more than one office if elected.
Nominees do not have to leave the room during the nominations, when the vote is taken, or when the vote is counted.
The presiding officer can continue presiding, even if he or she is one of the nominees for the office.
A member can rise and decline the nomination during the nominating process.
After each nomination, the president repeats the name to the assembly.
Nominations are taken for successive offices in the order they’re listed in the bylaws.
Motions to close nominations are usually unnecessary because the nomination process simply continues until no one wishes to make further nominations. When the nominations stop, the chair just declares nominations closed after making sure that no more nominations are forthcoming. Customarily (although it’s not required), the chair accomplishes this by calling three times for more nominations.
According to Robert’s Rules, a motion to close nominations is out of order as long as any member wishes to make a nomination.
A motion to close nominations is usually not necessary unless it is apparent that members are nominating people just to honor them, and that the nominees have no intention of serving.
Usually the president closes nominations when no further nominations come forward from the assembly.
3) Nominations By A Committee
Using a nominating committee to assemble a list of willing and qualified candidates for office can greatly benefit members when the time comes to select their leaders. If the committee does its job well, the membership can enjoy some basic assurance that the candidates nominated have at least expressed interest in the job, have agreed to serve, and are qualified for the offices for which they’re nominated.
The Nominating Committee’s Role
The duty of a nominating committee is to find the best candidate for each office. The bylaws should not tie the hands of the committee to find more than one person to fill each slot; the committee should find the best candidate for each office. Persons serving on the committee can be nominated for office.
The secretary should give the committee a copy of the membership list, the bylaws, a description of the duties of each office, and the eligibility requirements. The committee must carefully review the eligibility requirements for each office and see that the nominees meet these requirements. If anyone is elected, and it is discovered after the election that the person is not eligible, the election of that officer is null and void. The committee then has to find a new nominee, and the members have to vote again.
The committee should meet, carefully review the membership list, and select the people who they think will do the best job in each office. A member of the committee should then be designated to call each nominee to see if he or she is willing to serve if elected. If someone is not willing to serve, the committee needs to meet again and find another candidate.
If no candidate is found, the committee can leave that slot open for nominations from the floor. Or, they can tell members publicly that they do not have a nominee for a certain office; this allows members to volunteer. No one should be nominated without his or her consent because, if elected, the person may decline to serve and members will have to hold another election.
A Nominating Committee’s Report:
The report of the nominating committee is usually given under “special orders.” When called on to give the report, the chairman of the nominating committee states the nominations for each office.
Chairman of Nominating Committee: Madam President, the nominating committee submits the following nominations: for president, Alex Shaw; for vice president, Bianca Fernandez; for secretary, Raymond Platt; and for treasurer, Donna Agnese.
Sometimes there is a split in the nominating committee over who to nominate. If a minority of the committee wishes to nominate someone else, the members in the minority can make the nomination when nominations are taken from the floor.
As soon as the committee reports, it is discharged from its duties. Sometimes the committee is revived to make nominations to fill vacancies. After the committee reports, the chair states:
President: The nominating committee nominates Alex Shaw for president, Bianca Fernandez for vice president, Raymond Platt for secretary, and Donna Agnese for treasurer. Nominations are now open from the floor. Are there any further nominations for president?
4) Nominations By Ballot
This method of nominations is based on the principle of allowing all voters to make nominations for all offices by completing a nominating ballot. The ballots are tallied very much like an election ballot, and the report becomes the list of nominees for each office. This method gives voters an idea of the group’s preferences without holding an actual election.
5) Nominations By Mail
Taking nominations by mail is basically the same as taking nominations by ballot. Take security measures to protect the privacy of the nominating ballot; each member is instructed to fold his or her ballot inside a signed envelope and mail it back in an outer envelope. When the nominating ballot is received, the signed inner envelope containing the ballot is logged in against a list of voting members, and the ballot is deposited in a receptacle for tallying like an election ballot.
6) Nominations By Petition
Some organizations add nominees to the ballot only if the name is submitted on a petition signed by some minimum number of members. Nomination by petition is another method of nomination by mail; provisions must be made for it in the bylaws, and standard forms must be provided to candidates and electors upon request.
Motions Related To Nominations
Whenever you need to specify a way to come up with nominees, as you probably will for situations your bylaws don’t cover, you use a motion related to the method of nominations. And whenever you want to specify when nominations can be made, you use a motion to open or close nominations. Collectively, these motions are known as motions related to nominations.
A motion relating to nominations:
Can’t interrupt a speaker who has the floor or a member making a nomination
Must be seconded
Isn’t debatable
Can be amended
Requires a majority vote (except the motion to close nominations, which requires a two-thirds vote)
Can be reconsidered if it’s a negative vote to reopen nominations
Method Of Nominations
This example is based on moving to have nominations by committee, but the form is essentially the same for any of the methods.
You simply say, “Mr. Chairman, I move that the chair appoint a committee of three to consider and make recommendations on the replacement of Mr. Exeter, who has resigned as chairman of the membership committee.” Whatever nomination method you propose, be specific.
Motions To Open Or Close Nominations
A motion to open nominations, when made by a member, is usually a motion to reopen nominations after they have been closed. (The chair usually just announces the opening of nominations at the appointed time when they are in order.)
Members rarely make a motion to close nominations because it’s never in order to make this motion as long as anyone wants to make a nomination. Also, members rarely move to close nominations because, whenever no further nominations are offered, the chair usually just declares, “Hearing no further nominations, nominations for the office of [name the office] are closed.”
Nominations And The Minutes
The secretary places all nominations in the minutes. If the organization uses a nominating committee and then takes nominations from the floor, the secretary records the nominating committee’s report first and then lists nominations for each office in the order they are presented as given by the members from the floor.
And Trump has I believe 12 states.
[just presenting the facts here]
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html
Cruz has won 8 states.
Of those, 5 are a majority win, Texas, Kansas, Maine, Idaho, Utah
3 are a plurality win (i.e. don’t qualify to meet rule 40). Iowa, Alaska, Oklahoma
Louisiana was a tie.
Ok, then I stand corrected if that is indeed the case.
Cruz also has Idaho - missed that one. So he is a state short.
Yeah, the rules are kind of silly. Really put the fix in against Ron Paul. Romney is quite the snake. I think the rule will get dropped.
They were asholes then and they are asholes now if they keep a 4 yr old rule that was designed to keep Paul’s nomination off the floor. Romney was going to get the nomination anyway—he just wanted a coronation for himself. The rule was in effected for one convention, and was way out of line then and now, Other rules that have been in effect for many nominations should remain intact.
Wow, not even close.
Here’s a suggestion, stop running your mouth so much and do some homework.
I listed the states he won. But unlike you, someone else explained to me that the rule is a candidate should have more than all the other candidates combined in said state, not a plurality. I told them if that’s the case, then I stand corrected and the rule is garbage. Now run along.
This entire article is nonsense - the rules are online. This is the rule in question, verbatim:
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Rule 40(b) - Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination. Notwithstanding any other provisions of these rules or any rule of the House of Representatives, to demonstrate the support required of this paragraph a certificate evidencing the affirmative written support of the required number of permanently seated delegates from each of the eight (8) or more states shall have been submitted to the secretary of the convention not later than one (1) hour prior to the placing of the names of candidates for nomination pursuant to this rule and the established order of business.
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They could nominate Jeb “Act of Love” Bush on the second ballot if a majority of delegates from eight or more of the states that only bind delegates for the first ballot were willing to vote for that traitorous loser on the second ballot. I don’t know who is stirring up this nonsense again, but they don’t bother reading.
I assume the Trump staff are not so incompetent that they have not read the rules - I hope. Is it the Hillary people trying to get us to fight among ourselves? Sadly, that’s not difficult for them.
Didnt the Supreme Court state in its ruling in Bush vs Gore, that the rules pertaining to voting and elections cannot be changed midstream or its unconstitutional?
Guam?
-PJ
-PJ
Yes. Guam is 1 delegate. LOL
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