Posted on 03/31/2016 11:39:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
No, he was born in Canada so the law there does matter. Canadian law said that Cruz was a natural born Canadian citizen so he was. If Canadian law has no bearing than why did Cruz go through denouncing his Canadian citizenship? He is just as much NBC American without doing that since their laws do not matter, according to you.
The New American Colony sounds like a cheese food product.
The 14th Amendment is irrelevant to the definition of natural born.
It does not change the definition used by the Founders.
It does not address the issue of Presidential eligibility at all.
Even the author of the 14th, John Bingham said as much.
Mr. Bingham’s idea of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” and William Douglas’s interpretation in a minority opinion in 1982 are at polar opposites to each other.
According to a few websites I have visited, his citizenship records are sealed. I do not know that for a fact but the websites said they cannot see his records because they are sealed.
Since we aren't Canadians, we don't care.
Hyperbole. Every SCOTUS decision made is, by definition, constitutional. Obamacare is constitutional, homo marriage is a right, abortion is a right, etc. There is no such thing as judicial overreach, by definition. If there was, the judges would be impeached.
As far as the birther action goes, that isn't what got us Obama. The birther thing is a sideshow.
Now, I happen to know that Pellegrini and other courts are not applying relevant citizenship precedent to the Cruz case, and so I see another part of the constitution being ignored - but, the realpolitik of it is that NONE of the issues is going to be resolved by the sham of an election process conducted in the United States. Feel the Bern!!
Good point. Either way it’s headin on up!
I told sis to expect a ruling around March 1-15 way back in August. That would send it up. So am a few days short.
There is a bigger picture in the plan.
Than why did Cruz go renounce his Canadian citizenship if we don’t care? He obviously did. It is not a choice. Cruz was born in Canada so he was NBC Canadian because Canadian law applies to kids born in Canada unless they are children of diplomats and such. US law applies to kids born in the USA or do you suppose that is not the case?
Err or an intentional grounds for appeal Been done before just sayin
Two points - first, you are the one who asserted that a Cruz Naturalization Certificate could easily be obtained by FOIA. From what I see in the USCIS webpage, FOIA requests are (more precisely "were") used to get records that pertain to oneself, and not to another person.
And, from what I see in the USCIS webpage that I linked, records that pertain to OTHER living people cannot be obtained, period.
-- If anyone can prove to a court that Ted Cruz was naturalized, they should do so. --
It is possible to ascertain what the precedents say, without convincing a court to apply the precedents.
It is naive to believe that courts apply the law and follow precedents. Courts are progressive outcome-based institutions.
The original court was limited to ruling on the facts and the law. And, since determination of eligibility rests with the several states, a challenge had to start there. But, SCOTUS is not obliged to hear the case, and I doubt they will. They might remand it to a Federal Appeals Court, or they could refuse to take the case, leaving the Pennsylvania Court decision to stand. If that happens, it will be years, but more likely, forever before the Supreme Court revisits this.
I'm sure that all of the Justices agree with the unanimous decision of PA Supreme Court, so they are not going to waste time on this issue.
Gee it’s exactly what CRUZ said before he ran for senator in an interview : two citizen parents - born on the land It is also the strict intent of the constitution stand that his college professor said he took all the way through college So when did he change his mind and become a progressive on the constitution?
I’m proud of my FIVE Loyalist ancestors...
North American Law Center
Unfortunately, there is no evidence to suggest that the parent or parents of Ted Cruz ever filed a CRBA form with the U.S. Government in or around 1970, which is why Ted Cruz released a copy of his Canadian citizenship records and not any U.S. citizenship records. At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access.
Looks like someone already tried.
You are correct, of course, but the 14th would apply if a case on Presidential eligibility was ever to be argued. If that ever happened, the cookie would crumble. But, I don’t believe that SCOTUS will ever hear a Presidential eligibility case, at least in my lifetime.
http://blackloyalist.com/
I wonder if there is a Spanish Loyalist Society as well?
Now you are being silly, but your point does illustrate the argument. This is not a legal issue, that has been settled and will not be resolved in a court. This is a political argument and Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship for political purposes, U.S. law did not require it.
oh you were mentioning Obama and his Loyalist ancestors...
I didn’t say it was a bad thing...
I was just pointing out that the Canadians were thrilled outa their skulls...
They had all the family line proofs...
and these are people who demand the evidence...
:)
So you can be a dual citizen and US President? That is a new take on it I have never heard. Somehow, I do not think that dual citizen is what the founders had in mind when they added the NBC requirement. Who is being silly now?
The more conservative a judge is, the more likely they are to recognize that the 1790 Act reflected the ORIGINAL thinking of the Founders.
The Court ruled that Citizens of the United States At Birth and Natural Born Citizens are synonymous. That excludes naturalized citizens. There are about twenty other court decisions that have ruled the exact same way. No court has ever ruled that there is a difference between a Citizen of the United States at Birth and a Natural Born Citizen.
There is no court ruling that natural law takes precedence over positive law.
The judiciary is only capable of ruling on positive law, if a natural law ruling is requested, don’t file a positive law based lawsuit that asks the court to rule on state or federal statutes.
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