Posted on 04/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Ted Cruz risks primary disqualification in New Jersey resulting from charges of ballot access fraud. A primary ballot disqualification hearing is scheduled by the Secretary of State for Monday, April 11 at 9:00 a.m. in Mercerville, New Jersey.
Washington D.C. Law Professor Victor Williams charges that Ted Cruz fraudulently certified his constitutional eligibility for office to gain ballot access. Williams demands that Cruz be disqualified from several late-primary ballots: "Cruz committed ballot access fraud in each state when he falsely swore that he was a 'natural born' American citizen." Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and held his resulting Canadian citizenship until May 2014. Cruz is a naturalized (not natural born) American citizen.
Williams' fraud charges had quick effect in New Jersey. Rather than accepting Cruz's ballot petition when filed last week, the Secretary of State ( Kim Guadagno) scheduled the unusual Administrative Law hearing for April 11. The Canadian-born Cruz must prove that he did not falsely certify his eligibility for office.
Cruz's ballot eligibility is also being challenged in California, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington.
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‘No, it’s not settled law. Some judges have allowed Cruz to appear on their ballots, but it hasn’t been a universally accepted standard.”
That is incorrect. 100% of all courts and States have sided with Ted Cruz.
This is settled law.
Apparently you missed the courts all rejecting all of your NBC theories and shooting them down.
There’s the real world.
And then there is your imagination.
Can you look into the difference between those two?
How can that be if it is still being considered in several states?
“Also there are “questions ‘ about his mother’s birth that a true dedicated investigation should pursue But as we saw with obama, can be suppressed by tptb”
No, there are not. Eleanor Cruz’s birth certificate in Wilmington, Delaware has been released.
There is bullshit.
But no questions.
And no documents have been suppressed
“cruz apparently did take steps to drop his canadian citizenship
Which a natural born American should never have to do”
Incorrect. That is one of the false assumptions.
My sister was born in the Panama Canal Zone. She is a natural born citizen. She could have applied for Panamanian citizenship. She did not.
It does not matter what any other country thinks. It’s irrelevant.
We are only interested in what US law says.
Cruz’s ballot eligibility is also being challenged in California, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington.
“A natural born citizen is one who is born in the country (jus soli), AND born to parents who are both US citizens (jus sanguinis).”
That is absolutely false.
That is only your opinion.
That has no basis in reality or fact.
A natural born citizen is whatever Congress says it is.
“The other cases brought by citizen voters have been thrown out on the standing issue.”
That is not correct. The Pennsylvania court and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled on the substance that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen — after hearing all of the silly, bogus arguments against eligibility.
“In this newest challenge, the petitioner has Competitor Candidate Standing, as he has filed as a write-in candidate for POTUS, thus overcoming the standing issue.”
No, he does not have standing.
First, the courts have already ruled that another candidate does NOT have standing.
Alan Keyes as a candidate for President alongside Barack Obama on the ballot was found not to have standing.
The argument is if you don’t think Ted Cruz is eligible, DON’T VOTE FOR HIM.
So there is no standing.
Second, the fact that the plaintiff has transparently CONTRIVED an attempt at standing is also fatal to his case.
“NO. it is NOT “settled law” that he is eligible. In FACT numerous Supreme Court Decisions regarding Natural Born Citizen ALL show that he is NOT ELIGIBLE.”
There has never been any court decision at any level in any jurisdiction that has ruled that any citizen is not a natural born citizen.
The foolishness is that a case saying someone IS a natural born citizen is NOT a decision that someone else isn’t.
“The way I figure it is that if the documents weren’t damning Cruz would’ve released them as quickly as he released his mother’s birth certificate.”
Very active imagination, but there aren’t any documents which the Cruz campaign has not released.
“Mother was American. And then she was Canadian - in order to vote there and open a business - like other Canadians.”
Ted Cruz’s mother was never a Canadian citizen.
Please try to understand: There is the dream world in which you fantasize things. THEN there is the real world. You might want to look into that.
“[We really would like him to release his papers so we could actually see the truth.]”
There are no papers which have not been released.
Suggesting that there are is what most people call a LIE.
“Is the guy bringing suit also a candidate which gives him “standing” which is what all the suits against Obama lacked? “
He has CONTRIVED a candidacy as a ruse to try to get standing.
For that reason alone, the case will fail. You cannot contrive standing.
But being a candidate is not enough to create standing.
“Well Cruz has sealed his records.”
Cruz has not sealed any records.
Stop lying.
Your candidate cannot survive without lying, eh?
” the DNC will challenge him and they can and will keep him off the ballot unless he can prove his documents are in order.”
No, they cannot. Once the question has been decided — it is already decided now — you cannot go back again and do it all over again.
The DNC cannot keep Cruz off the ballot.
That is just another Trump lie to CHEAT and try to steal the election, because Trump cannot win honestly
“**Cruz’s ballot eligibility is being challenged in New Jersey, California,
Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington.**
I guess this is what Manafort meant when he said Cruz was about to experience (cough) “a rough patch.”
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No, sorry, Cruz has already won all of those challenges.
“Citizenship by statute (Federal Law) is not Natural Born Citizenship.”
Of course it is.
That is the core fantasy of the eligibility crusaders.
That is just a fantasy.
Congress has the power to define by statute who is a natural born citizen.
And they have used that power since 1790.
Hey does anyone know how to pulp the old posts here with the keyword
naturalborncitizen. It used to be at the top of the forum page. If you do a search for it, only natural born citizen will come up if its in the title of the post. I suppose Jim got tired of it. But I would really like to look at those old posts for reference.
thanks guys,
great discussion btw
That’s just a fantasy. There is no basis in reality for that idea.
Natural born citizenship is defined by Congress in 14 USC 1401(g).
Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen.
“There is reason to suspect that Cruz’s mother became an official Canadian before her son was born “
No, there is not.
First, you have to make a formal filing with the US Government.
You don’t just lose your citizenship like misplacing your socks.
It is a formal, legal process. You don’t just wake up one morning and wonder “Now, where did I leave my citizenship?”
Second, Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz’s father, later became a US citizen BASED UPON Eleanor Cruz’s citizenship.
Ted Cruz’s father became a US citizen BASED ON Ted Cruz’s mother’s citizenship.
So stop lying and see a shrink about your love affair with Donald Trump.
“He has registered as a write in candidate. And that gives him “standing” (at least according to him).:”
Yeah, according to him.
But it does not give him standing.
The fact that he became a candidate BECAUSE he wanted to sue is fatal to his case.
If you contrive a situation to try to get standing, you don’t have standing.
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