Posted on 04/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Ted Cruz risks primary disqualification in New Jersey resulting from charges of ballot access fraud. A primary ballot disqualification hearing is scheduled by the Secretary of State for Monday, April 11 at 9:00 a.m. in Mercerville, New Jersey.
Washington D.C. Law Professor Victor Williams charges that Ted Cruz fraudulently certified his constitutional eligibility for office to gain ballot access. Williams demands that Cruz be disqualified from several late-primary ballots: "Cruz committed ballot access fraud in each state when he falsely swore that he was a 'natural born' American citizen." Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada and held his resulting Canadian citizenship until May 2014. Cruz is a naturalized (not natural born) American citizen.
Williams' fraud charges had quick effect in New Jersey. Rather than accepting Cruz's ballot petition when filed last week, the Secretary of State ( Kim Guadagno) scheduled the unusual Administrative Law hearing for April 11. The Canadian-born Cruz must prove that he did not falsely certify his eligibility for office.
Cruz's ballot eligibility is also being challenged in California, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington.
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Ruh Roh Frank, that’s gonna leave a mark on our local ambulance chaser.
Nice work.
“In fact, would Ted Cruz have been eligible to run for Prime Minister of Canada”
Who cares?
The laws of every country are different.
We are analyzing US law and US law only.
I think that was right after Donna Trump had a sex change operation to become Donald Trump and after Donald Trump narrowly escaped being convicted as a Nazi prison guard at Treblinka from World War II. I think that was before Donald Trump was exposed as being a giant squid from another galaxy, right?
“Here is a simple test. If Cruz had stayed in Canada since he was born there, would he be considered being a Canadian citizen today. If the answer is yes, then he is not qualified to be President of the USA.”
That is completely false. You are stacking so many false assumptions upon false assumptions it is dizzying.
Let’s consider another test:
Tomorrow, Mexico passes a law saying that everyone born on what used to be Mexican soil — California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. — is now automatically a citizen of Mexico.
This is a symbolic act towards their goal of reclaiming Mexican lands they lost in prior wars.
But now anyone born in those States is a Mexican citizen.
DO THEY LOSE THEIR US CITIZENSHIP?
Hell no. we don’t give a fig what another country’s law says.
Are they no longer natural born citizens in the USA?
They are now citizens of both Mexico and the USA.
Does that change anything?
HELL NO!
It doesn’t matter what the law of any other country says.
It is complete Trump lunacy to talk about some other country’s laws.
“Here is a simple test. If Cruz had stayed in Canada since he was born there, would he be considered being a Canadian citizen today. If the answer is yes, then he is not qualified to be President of the USA.”
Now, according to Vattel’s LAW OF NATIONS, the answer is yes.
Vattel’s private book is about MONARCHY, not democracies like the USA.
Under Vattel’s book, a person can be president or prince of multiple countries at the same time.
“So maybe the question should be, if Cruz returned to Canada in 2011, with his Canadian BC, could he be recognized as a Canadian citizen.”
Yes, but so what?
My father explored becoming an Irish citizen, and found out it was possible.
Melania Trump became a US citizen by becoming the green card / mail order bride of Donald Trump.
It is entirely possible to be eligible to be a citizen of multiple countries at the same time.
This is part of the brain damage of the eligibility activists.
You don’t understand what you are talking about.
Is Melania Trump eligible to go back to Slovenia and be a citizen of Slovenia?
YES!
“Any statutory definition of natural born citizen must comport with and be in furtherance of, the intent of the constitution and not the other way around”
That is true, but the Constitution does not define who is a natural born citizen.
That gives Congress not only the power BUT THE DUTY to define “natural born citizen.”
And Congress has done so, making various changes over the last 230 years.
Because there is nothing in the Constitution that clarifies who is a natural born citizen, it is essential that Congress provide the clarification.
Again, you stubbornly cling to your fantasy that the Constitution says what you wish it says — but it does not say what you think.
“FWIW, when SCOTUS has viewed the 1790 Act in retrospect, it views it as a naturalization act, not a definition”
That is completely false.
The law is not so narrowly compartmentalized as you imagine.
The law is not pigeon-holed that way.
A law can have wide-ranging effect.
A law dealing with salvage rights at the bottom of the ocean can affect how the company’s taxes are calculated, how the company reports to the SEC and the stock market, and the inheritance rights of the owners.
Laws are not so confined to one topic or another as you fantasize.
Then it is simple, if Cruz could be a Canadian citizen because of his being born there, then he is not natural born in the USA. A natural born citizen of the USA can not become a citizen of another country without either renouncing his US birthright or pledging allegiance to that foreign country. You just proved what others are saying. Ted Cruz is not natural born.
Are you aware that Texas was seeking to disqualify foreign born / ineligible citizens from the General Election Ballot?
Looks like he’s lucky they haven’t voted on Texas HB295, it would knock Ted off the ballot. Note section (d)AA
HB295 Introduced -A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT- relating to certification for placement on the ballot of candidates
for president or vice-president of the United States. BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTIONA1.AASection 192.033, Election Code, is amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (d) to read as follows: (a)AAExcept as provided by Subsection (c) or (d), the secretary of state shall certify in writing for placement on the general election ballot the names of the candidates for president and vice-president who are entitled to have their names placed on the ballot..........(d)AAThe secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate ’s original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen............
If Texas passes HB295, Cruz could not appear on the General Election Ballot in Texas and that’s 38 Electoral Votes we can not afford to lose.
“The argument that it is a definition was floated by globalists,”
It doesn’t matter who raises an argument.
It only matters what is TRUE.
You see there is this thing I like to all THE REAL WORLD.
And there is this inner fantasy life that you may be familiar with.
There is a difference. You might want to look into that.
But there is a concept called
THE TRUTH.
And it is an ad hominem argument — an admission you cannot defend your position — to attack WHO raised an argument instead of considering the truth or falsehood of the argument.
“Are you aware that Texas was seeking to disqualify foreign born / ineligible citizens from the General Election Ballot?”
No, and you are not either.
You are lying and you know it.
2 liberal Democrats filed a bill (proposed legislation).
So “Texas” is not trying to do anything.
You, however, are trying to LIE to us because the Trump campaign cannot succeed without lying.
2 liberal democrats propose legislation.
The vast majority of bills filed in the hopper go nowhere.
So what?
“Then it is simple, if Cruz could be a Canadian citizen because of his being born there, then he is not natural born in the USA”
That is 100% FALSE.
It is possible to be a natural born citizen in the United States, and have the POTENTIAL to claim citizenship in 100 other countries.
This is part of the brain damage of the eligibility activists.
WHERE are you getting the idea that if another country offers citizenship one cannot be a natural born citizenship of the United States?
Show me where you find that in the US Constitution?
REMEMBER: A president can be eligible if he lived only 14 of his 35 minimum years in the United States.
The Constitution says he could have lived 60% of his life in a foreign country by age 35.
“Why is Raphael Cruz so special that he need not abide by our laws?”
Ted Cruz IS abiding by our laws.
Congress passed 14 USC 1401(g), and the then president signed it into law.
Why are you REJECTING the laws passed by Congress?
Why do you reject the law?
“You sure seem to have a lot of time to waste here : )”
Right back at ya. I am backing off on what kept me busy then.
However, writing a friend of the court brief would take easily 2-4 weeks, not just a few hours as here.
Except Cruz is a natural born citizen of Canada, not the USA. His Father was a naturalized Canadian citizen and he was born in Canada.
Wow eastforker, Sounds like an La Raza attack is headed right at ya.
Funny how they always forget that the territory they claim belonged to Spain for all but 15 years and that it was legally purchased.
“The Framers knew darn well what ‘natural born’ meant...”
Oh, how do you know that? Did you conduct a séance?
“What you are ignoring is the history of how the Framers came up with the requirement of ‘natural born’.”
Irrelevant, because that does not clarify the meaning.
“They used it specifically as required qualification to hold the office of president.”
Yes, that is like writing your name on the paper and expecting an A. So what? That is just stating the obvious.
I do not say these things to be mean.
But deprogramming from a cult is a painful process of reconnecting with reality.
So you state the beginning as if it were the conlusion.
” They NEVER allow any authority to redefine its original meaning.”
It didn’t have any original meaning. If there were an original meaning, they would have stated it in the constitution.
What you fail to understand is that the Constitutional Convention was a COMMITTEE. They often could not agree among themselves and deliberately kicked the can down the road on some things.
The Framers of the Constitution intentionally left it to Congress to define “natural born citizen.”
Trump is the one who forced the Obama crew to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Obama... Nobody is ever going to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Ted Cruz.
Ah what you are attempting to do is to ‘re-define’ the meaning of ‘natural born’.
“Ah what you are attempting to do is to ‘re-define’ the meaning of ‘natural born’. “
You cannot REdefine what is undefined.
Congress defined “natural born citizen” in the 1790 statute and again later in 14 USC 1401(g) — the statute in force when Ted Cruz was born.
Congress defined “natural born citizen” for the first time in 1790.
They did not “redfine” it because the Constitution did not define it.
And if the people who wrote the Constitution were so certain of its meaning as what you suggest,
then WHY did the vote in 1790 for an entirely different meaning of “natural born citizen?”
Didn’t they know in 1790 what you claim they knew a few years earlier?
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