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To: nevergore

No it is not settled
Unlike obama and his possible Indonesian problem, cruz apparently did take steps to drop his canadian citizenship
Which a natural born American should never have to do

Also there are “questions ‘ about his mother’s birth that a true dedicated investigation should pursue
But as we saw with obama, can be suppressed by tptb


24 posted on 04/10/2016 8:40:16 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

No it is not settled
Unlike obama and his possible Indonesian problem, cruz apparently did take steps to drop his canadian citizenship
Which a natural born American should never have to do

Also there are “questions ‘ about his mother’s birth that a true dedicated investigation should pursue
But as we saw with obama, can be suppressed by tptb


Yes, there have also been reports by a neighbor in Canada regarding mom’s citizenship.

It is very troubling to me that he sealed his papers and records from school...just like barry did.


192 posted on 04/10/2016 10:30:56 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Election is about Liberty versus Tyranny and National Sovereignty versus Globalism!!)
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To: silverleaf

Actually what Cruz wants or thinks has very little to do with it. If you think about this it makes sense, the USSC has said that citizenship is a matter of law from each country. If Canada chooses to recognize everyone born in Canada as a citizen, then it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. All that matters is US law. It would be inappropriate to vary the definition as it applies in the US depending on what other countries laws may be.

I know a lot of people here get all twisted up over these things, but you can be a natural born American and still be a citizen of many other countries at the same time with no control over it. With America attracting people from all over the world its going to be the case more and more. Take an example of an Algerian man who moved as a teenager with his family to France, who then as an adult moved to the US. Further, say there is an Indian born woman who moved to UK as a teen before moving here for education, where she met the man. They marry and become naturalized US citizens. They start a family, and take a day trip to Canada but get in a car accident in Canada. To save the baby, doctors induce labor at 7 months. I know this sounds far fetched but its just an example and not really an impossible one (Cruz’ living family members have similarly convoluted journeys). So this baby born prematurely would technically hold American, Canadian, French, Algerian, Indian and British citizenships simultaneously, depending on the laws in each country (some do not accept matrilineal descent, others not only allow it but insist it can never be renounced which means that even great great great grandchildren will technically be recognized as citizens of a foreign land). It is impossible for a person to control what other countries choose to recognize.

To keep it simple, I see it as natural born means you acquired it at birth per the Constitution and naturalized means you are given citizenship through other means, as a matter of law passed by Congress which can change over time. Freepers are arguing it obviously, but seems to me Cruz was natural born. He did not have to take action to obtain US citizenship, and no act if Congress applies to his citizenship. US citizenship is his by birthright born to American parents. The other countries laws don’t really matter to the question of whether he is natural born. He may be natural born citizen of many countries. To people who say he is naturalized I ask, under which process of naturalization created by congress did Cruz obtain citizenship? Did he have a swearing-in ceremony? Did he fill out any forms to apply for it?


307 posted on 04/10/2016 5:35:50 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: silverleaf

“Also there are “questions ‘ about his mother’s birth that a true dedicated investigation should pursue But as we saw with obama, can be suppressed by tptb”

No, there are not. Eleanor Cruz’s birth certificate in Wilmington, Delaware has been released.

There is bullshit.

But no questions.

And no documents have been suppressed


344 posted on 04/10/2016 9:27:31 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: silverleaf

“cruz apparently did take steps to drop his canadian citizenship
Which a natural born American should never have to do”

Incorrect. That is one of the false assumptions.

My sister was born in the Panama Canal Zone. She is a natural born citizen. She could have applied for Panamanian citizenship. She did not.

It does not matter what any other country thinks. It’s irrelevant.

We are only interested in what US law says.


345 posted on 04/10/2016 9:28:49 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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