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1 posted on 04/11/2016 9:27:22 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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There you go, Trump people. He’s aligning with Kasich who is a half-step from a Dem at this point.


2 posted on 04/11/2016 9:28:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Dump The Rump)
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To: hoosiermama; onyx; Jane Long; V K Lee; RitaOK; Black Agnes; nopardons; PennsylvaniaMom; Fai Mao; ...

Ping.

I wonder if it was Charlie Black and Paul Manafort who arranged the Kasich/Trump tag team effort against sCruz?


5 posted on 04/11/2016 9:31:06 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction. - Mark Twain)
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Kaisich has been after the #2 spot for a while now, he is a literal #2, a Klingon if you will...


10 posted on 04/11/2016 9:33:33 AM PDT by GraceG (The election doesn't pick the next president, it is an audition for "American Emperor"...)
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To: RoosterRedux
The guy who was going to steal the nomination from the first guy who was going to steal the nomination is upset because the first-tier thief tried to steal the delegates they plotted to share when they stole them.

Got it.

16 posted on 04/11/2016 9:35:34 AM PDT by grania
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So unfair!

Rigged!

Cruz is being cheated!

Kasich is evil.

19 posted on 04/11/2016 9:36:28 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: RoosterRedux
Trump can't be beat.
He already has gamed the system to generate 22% higher percentage of delegates than his vote totals have earned. He is the smartest man in the room. Smarter than any other politician. Making better, shrewder deals than any other candidate.
20 posted on 04/11/2016 9:36:56 AM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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Team Kasich is more comfortable with a Trump nomination than a Cruz one

Absolutely not the case. Kasich wants a brokered convention where he has a chance of becoming the nominee, period.

27 posted on 04/11/2016 9:43:27 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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Whatever. But if that scumbag Kasich is on the ticket in any way, shape or form, whether Trump-Kasich or Cruz-Kasich or anything else, there’s no way in hell I’ll vote for it.


35 posted on 04/11/2016 9:50:08 AM PDT by greene66
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I’d rather see him align with Rubio. He’s the one who was told to get out and he had more delegates than Kasich. A trump-Rubio ticket would stick it to the establishment, the media, Cruz and kasich.


47 posted on 04/11/2016 9:57:17 AM PDT by jersey117
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In all honesty, K-Sic seeks to help K-Sic. The little empty shell of a man sees an opportunity only to keep himself erect and standing. What better way to do the impossible than to play one team off the other. Out of the fray, out of the middle. K-Sic plans to be the new won chosen no matter what the cost.


54 posted on 04/11/2016 10:04:40 AM PDT by V K Lee (uTRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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I won’t vote for a bake-the-cake rino. Not as president, not as vice president.


55 posted on 04/11/2016 10:06:03 AM PDT by csivils
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Everybody is jealous of Cruz's "ground game". Cruz understands the rules and is winning the ground game. Trump hasn't got a clue even how it's played. Kasitch is picking his choice to get VP or some advantage.

This is how it's played, not crooked or illegal as some are saying. This is also why Trump is foolish to tout his "dealmaking" prowess as Cruz wipes the floor with him. It's also why Trump is making changes in his campaign staff, a little late, but better than never.

It is frightening to think Trump doesn't know how the states pick their delegates as he spends his own money and gets beaten over and over. If he knew what he was doing it would already be over, but it's unreal how he watches Cruz go scoop up delegates and he doesn't even send a representative down to try to get them. Trump doesn't even understand the system. Apparently he hasn't even hired a person that understands what to do. maybe the new guy will help, but it's a little late.

Cruz is scooping up delegates, setting up the convention rules to suit him, and lining up the conventions to favor him. This is what is referred to as "the ground game" and Cruz has a very good one and Trump's is invisible.

58 posted on 04/11/2016 10:06:43 AM PDT by chuckles
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“There is one other role available to Kasich: the man who delivers the nomination to Trump. If Trump accepts Kasich as running mate with actual influence over the campaign and Kasich unbinds his delegates, it might be enough to put Trump over the top on the first ballot. Remember also that Kasich and Trump have advisers, Paul Manafort and Charlie Black, who were former business partners and longtime friends.”

I have posted ad nauseum that this is the most likely scenario. If you were Kasich who is running hard for VP who are you going to pick the guy with no chance or the guy most likely to succeed?


60 posted on 04/11/2016 10:08:41 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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LAST WEEK = Kasich is a stupid, liberal jerk who needs to get the heck out of the race!!!!

THIS WEEK = Ya know, that Kasich guy ain't so bad

77 posted on 04/11/2016 10:27:32 AM PDT by gdani (Election 2016: Pick your liberal)
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Let me try to explain some things to some here that are incensed. A voter elects delegates from each precinct of his/her state. (This is for primary states like Texas) Other states have other rules, but most are similar to this. A voter IS NOT VOTING FOR A CANDIDATE. The winner of your local election results gets a number of delegates assigned to them. AFTER THE VOTE, a person may, if they choose, attend the precinct convention. So few people choose to participate that a small group can stack the rules for the convention and stack the delegates going to the county convention. The mayor, a car dealer owner, or the guy making shakes at McDonalds can be ELECTED to represent the winner of your precinct, EVEN IF THE DELEGATE DOESN'T LIKE THE CANDIDATE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT!

Then the delegate goes to the county convention he/she is SWORN to vote for. The vote at the county convention is for new delegates to support a candidate at the STATE convention coming up. That person DOES'T NOT EVEN HAVE TO LIKE THE CANDIDATE THEY ARE "BOUND" TO SUPPORT. At each point, an oath is taken to follow the will of the last vote. Then, the county delegates assemble at the state conventions. All the same things are at the state convention. You have bound delegates that MUST vote for their candidate on the first ballot. If they can't get a majority( 50+1%), then the delegates are generally free to vote for whom they choose until someone gets a majority.

many of these delegates are party goes that like to go to conventions and get drunk and party. Some are serious that are dedicated to their candidate. some are actually plants from a candidate that is dedicated to their candidate to get them elected. as you can see, "having a ground game" become VERY important here. What Cruz has been doing for a couple of years now,( yes, even before he announced), was setting up dedicated people in all 50 states to at least make maximum effort to get him elected. When a delegate is a Cruz supporter, they can be voted into the rules committee and make rules that enhance Cruz's chances and hinder others. This is NOT cheating, but playing the game as EVERYONE else does. The problem here is Trump has been AWOL from the beginning. Trump is naive and ignorant of what he is trying to do. He doesn't even understand how to play.

Now we get to the national convention. If Trump wins the most delegates, but doesn't get 1237, there will be one vote that will fail to elect Trump as the nominee. The next vote will free many "bound delegates" to vote "their conscience". If Cruz has set up the rules and set his people in key positions, who do you think the delegates will vote for? People that were bound to Trump will dump him and switch to Cruz. Alternatively, at this time, the establishment can even switch their vote to Kasich, Rubio, or any other preconceived Tom, Dick, or Harry. This is not immoral or illegal, it's the system and has been for a hundred years at least. Trump could have and should have been doing the same all along, but to put it mildly, he didn't understand what he was even participating in. It would be interesting to take a poll here at FR and see how many voters have even attended one precinct convention in their entire lives. I have gone as far as the state convention before I was eliminated.

When you watch the nation convention coverage, take inventory of the people that you recognize. Are they Trump people, establishment Republicans, Cruz people, who? That will give you the first indication of what is about to transpire. Trump must win the first ballot or he will be sent packing. IMHO, Cruz will win because he has "the best ground game". His people will have been stacked in every crack and cranny to make things happen for Cruz. it's NOT luck when things go your way at a convention.

Love it or hate it, that's the way things work in the US. Cems just cut through the crap and assign "Super Delegates" to make sure their guy wins. At least Cruz had to invest time and money to have a chance. If Trump was serious about winning, he could have done the same thing in spades, as he had a $billion to the others few hundred $millions. This is why the RINO's KNEW Jeb was going to take it, he had the money. Didn't work! Trump just failed to understand how to do what he thought he could do. Trump can still win, but his hiring of a political professional is probably too late to give him a first vote win.

What this means is, if Christians had gone to the conventions and supported Christians, we could overthrow abortion and gay marriage. If gun owners went to the conventions, the Second Amendment wouldn't even be a topic of conversation. It's the same with any support group. The problem is the average voter has NO IDEA how civics work in the US. Ask a neighbor if they even know their is a county convention to go to? Al this is out in the open, but people don't pay attention to it. For whatever reason, they believe their vote elects a candidate and not a delegate. This is not some secret that requires a handshake and a password to find out about, but I have always been amazed at the people that just let the opportunity pass by to support the people they really want to win. Most people just don't care and let it pass by.

That pretty much describes what Trump has been doing. He got the people all "wee weed" up, then sit by and watched Cruz out maneuver him.

PS. As I type this, Trump is on TV complaining that he thought the US was a democracy. How stupid is that! It's been a republic since 1789. How can you enforce the Constitution if you don't even understand the system you are trying to win?

89 posted on 04/11/2016 11:03:08 AM PDT by chuckles
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