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A bad day for the Birther Brigade
1 posted on 04/12/2016 4:05:50 PM PDT by centurion316
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That is 2 for 2. Keep trying, Liberal Donnie.


57 posted on 04/12/2016 4:41:43 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (Donald Trump: New York City Liberal)
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" New Jersey judge:
Ted Cruz eligible
for presidential nomination...."

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59 posted on 04/12/2016 4:45:32 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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Ok good I’m still not voting for him.


60 posted on 04/12/2016 4:46:06 PM PDT by 1217Chic
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For if one supreme legislative body, in which the whole continent of America have not a single voice, have power to make laws which shall be binding upon us in all cases whatsoever, rights, liberties, legislative powers, under such absolute suspending, dispensing, establishing annihilating power as this, are meer shadows, Jack o’lanterns serving only to mislead and engulph us.

There can be no doubt but it is fit, and perfectly consistent with the principle of all laws human and divine, to resist robbers, murderers and subverters of the government of free states, whether these crimes are committed by individuals or nations, or more properly a despotism endeavouring to establish itself over the most free and happy nation on the globe. The only question is, whether it be prudent to risque resistance.

To All Nations fo Men
Boston 1773
Daniel Leonard 1740-1820

A “judge” cannot order you to vote for Obama or Cruz, although Clinton v. Cruz is a Uniparty WIN/WIN.


78 posted on 04/12/2016 4:55:05 PM PDT by PGalt
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Illegals are now essentially US citizens so why not Kenyans and Canadians? Rules are made to be broken, especially when there’s a boatload of cash being shoved under his robes.


81 posted on 04/12/2016 4:56:19 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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From the Nationality Act of 1940:

“In the case of a child born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent now had only to be physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14.

Cruz’s mother satisfies this requirement.


83 posted on 04/12/2016 4:58:50 PM PDT by RedStateNotShirt
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Whatever the lawyers say.

According to this DOUCHEBAGS logic, the TALIBAN can rape American women in Pakistan and the issue will be eligible to be POTUS.

Kind of like the CPUSA did with Obama.


87 posted on 04/12/2016 5:03:13 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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How many court rulings are needed before Trump says he’s sorry? Or at least says ok thanks for clearing that up Ted. I guess Trump would consider Ted as part of his VP selection process again :-)


89 posted on 04/12/2016 5:05:55 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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“A New Jersey judge has ruled that Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz meets the constitutional requirements to be president and may appear on the state's presidential primary ballot.”

I'm glad Trump has stopped tying his credibility to the lost clause. The court findings in Cruz's favor are conclusive. Cruz is eligible.

Now Trump should quietly flash the signal to the cells in each state: drop the matter.

90 posted on 04/12/2016 5:06:51 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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If one has to cite laws, statutes, or USSC precedents to try and win the natural born Citizen argument, they’ve already lost.

Natural....of nature, not of man. Easy peasy....


95 posted on 04/12/2016 5:12:06 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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Wow so I guess if someone is born in Iran to an American mother and Iranian father and is raised in Iran through the “religion of peace” and believes women are 2nd class citizens, Jews must killed, gays must be hanged, 9 year old girls must be raped, he too can be President of the US


96 posted on 04/12/2016 5:13:17 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Can we please kill the guy already who invented the saying "My bad"?)
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That would make natural born citizenship the most inclusive kind of citizenship ever imagined. The Cruz/Levin people seriously believe that it was what the Framers had in mind with the eligibility clause. To expand the pool of possible presidents worldwide.


106 posted on 04/12/2016 5:34:23 PM PDT by Perchant
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“Ted Cruz eligible for presidential nomination”

Wouldn’t that be, “...eligible for Prime Minister nomination”?


151 posted on 04/13/2016 5:27:27 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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Despite the two rulings (Pennsylvania and New Jersey) that actually deal somewhat with the legal issues and go in favor of Cruz, still:

The best arguments, by far, are against eligibility for Cruz.

The Pennsylvania judge mostly just quoted law review articles, especially the one from Harvard by the former and former (acting) Solicitors General (conveniently produced just in time for this election season). The Pennsylvania opinion has little or no analysis of original sources, and relies heavily on the analysis and arguments in secondary sources such as the Harvard article, without any recognition of the problems, including potential mis-use of original sources, in the secondary sources.

The Harvard article in particular has many problems. One of the big ones is that the Harvard article, after stating (correctly) that English common law is an important source for interpreting the U.S. Constitution, then completely ignores English common law and just uses English statutes as if they were the English common law, without even mentioning, let alone justifying, this sleight-of-hand.

The New Jersey judge appears to have made a more serious effort (or maybe the Cruz legal team's briefs, where the analysis probably originated, were better by that time). The New Jersey opinion uses a lot of text attempting to justify the concept that English statutes are part of the English law for purposes of interpreting the "natural born" requirement in Article II.

A major problem with this position is that the only support for including English statutes as a part of the common law comes from cases interpreting issues of state law. The states, which were basically created instantly from pre-existing colonies upon independence, naturally continued to follow the major laws of England where applicable, some by explicit legislation receiving the English law into the law of the state, and (apparently) some by judicial decision. Federal law, and federal Constitutional law in particular, is a different matter. There is no citation in the New Jersey opinion of any case that uses English statutes as a part of the English common law for purposes of interpreting the U.S. Constitution.

In addition to relying on weak support (only cases based on state law issues), the New Jersey opinion does not deal with some of the stronger arguments that the "natural born citizen" clause did not and does not incorporate the English statutes in force at the time of drafting and ratification.

For example, if the Founders created the "natural born" requirement with the understanding or intention to incorporate the statutory laws of England, then why, in the notes of the committee discussions of the drafting of the Naturalization Act of 1790, did one of the committee members state that "The case of the children of American parents born abroad ought to be provided for, as was done in the case of English parents, in the 12th year of William III." If the English statutes were already incorporated, why was Congress in 1790 drafting a law specifically in order to provide for what was already provided for in one of the supposedly incorporated English statutes?

The best arguments, by far, are against eligibility for Cruz.

156 posted on 04/13/2016 8:30:55 AM PDT by Joachim
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