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Did Trump ‘Steal’ Missouri First Ballot Delegates from Cruz?
Conservative Review ^ | 04/12/16 | Robert Eno

Posted on 04/12/2016 6:19:43 PM PDT by writer33

Today, the Missouri Secretary of State finally released the certified results of the March 15, 2016 Republican Primary. Donald Trump received 383,631 votes (40.84 percent), and Ted Cruz received 381,666 votes (40.63 percent). The miniscule difference in vote was 1,935 out of 939,270 votes cast. Based on the state’s winner-take-all system, Trump ended up with 37 delegates to Cruz’s 15. Under Trump’s definition of ‘stealing,’ did he steal from Cruz, or were those the rules?

The result in Missouri is even more lopsided. While only 1,935 votes out of 939,270 cast separate Trump and Cruz, Trump won over 70 percent of the delegates in the state based on these results.

Trump has taken to calling the delegate process “unfair,” and is saying that the rules have allowed Cruz to “steal” second ballot delegates. Trump’s convention manager Paul Manafort, has even called what Cruz is doing, “Gestapo Tactics.” That begs the question: Is Trump getting 247 percent more delegates than Cruz in Missouri fair?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cruz; cuckservatives; missouri; trump; wearesocuck
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To: writer33

The difference is the 12 delegate bonus was given to THE WINNER OF MOST VOTES. Not given out at a brunch.


61 posted on 04/12/2016 7:14:19 PM PDT by Kenny (e)
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To: ichabod1

I can only speak about Washington state, but I’m guessing it is similar. 27 people from my district are going to state. Mostly Cruz supporters, some Kasich, maybe a Rubio, a Bush, etc.. Several undecided or were not allowed to say (being GOP precinct chairs, etc.)’

But probably 90% for Cruz. There will be about 1500 elected delegates at the state convention that will have to vote in 44 delegates to the National Convention.

And lets say 55% of those 1500 delegates are Cruz supporters. It would not be odd that all 44 of the delegates going to national would also be Cruz supporters. Although I imagine that a lot of the well-known folks that are involved in the GOP party will get elected based on name recognition rather than who they prefer or their actual views. Like the local radio talk-show guy at my district (I think he liked Rubio.)

Of course in Washington state we also have a Republican primary, and the delegates from the state convention are bound to the primary winner. If it goes to a second ballot, they can vote for whomever they want to. (Even if they said they were for Cruz they could vote for Trump on the second if they want to.)


62 posted on 04/12/2016 7:15:02 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: JoSixChip
Go figure it out for yourself. It is not my fault you are uninformed, nor is my responsibility to educate you.

As I expected - when confronted with facts that challenge your twisted view of reality, you run.

63 posted on 04/12/2016 7:20:50 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: UCANSEE2

I don’t understand it either. Did the 900,000 voters in CO vote on this convention system? Who came up with it?


64 posted on 04/12/2016 7:21:25 PM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: Mac n Jac
Gee whiz, a scruzerbot radical from Texas. How many states are in the USA? There are 49 more than you think. Get over yourself ,you radicals are making Texas look wackydoodle,when informed people know that is not the case..
65 posted on 04/12/2016 7:24:07 PM PDT by samantha (keep up the fight....)
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To: JoSixChip

The party did not decide who could (or could not) go to the precinct caucii. Any registered Republican could attend. 65,000 people chose to attend their precinct caucus instead of sleeping in or any number of other activities. Those who bothered to attend their precinct caucus then could choose delegates for the county assemblies, and those elected to attend the county assemblies voted who would be elected for the state convention. Likewise for the national.

Trump could have won this if only his campaign had an organization in Colorado that mobilized supporters to attend their precinct caucus. He was well informed on the way that delegates are chosen in Colorado, but it’s as if he really didn’t want to bother and he’s made a conscious decision to not put any effort into states that require delegate selection though the caucus model.


66 posted on 04/12/2016 7:34:47 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: JoSixChip

where is your proof that the GOP chose the delegates, I assume that you were not one? This has been the process for Colorado for the past forty years right or wrong. Where was the outrage when this process was originally started? The straw poll that was canceled, was not in any way shape or form connected with the delegate selection process. It was more a weather gauge for the delegates to see who the populace supported, but not vital to the process. When the GOP changed the rules, stating that any such vote had to be binding, the party decided to drop the meaningless vote.


67 posted on 04/12/2016 7:36:17 PM PDT by PA-LU Student (Ted Cruz. The one man the Republican Field is afraid to debate one on one!)
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To: AndyTheBear

“Do you wish to vote for a Cruz delegate, another Cruz delegate, or this other Cruz delegate? No, that Trump number was skipped because he was a Trump delegate. Which Cruz delegate do you wish to vote for?”

Andy, I was at one of the assemblies where Cruz swept in Colorado. There were plenty of Trump delegates to vote for and it was easy to know who they were. They had signs saying “Trump” and the like and hats with Trump’s name and they gave speeches about how Ted Cruz is a bad man and his wife is controlled by Goldman so vote for me as a delegate to the national convention.

Kasich also had folks there running for delegate and making speeches and holding up signs saying “Kasich.”

I heard those speeches by the Trump candidates with my own ears. The trouble was that the Trump and Kasich candidates for national delegate didn’t get enough votes. Why not? Because the delegates at the assembly (who were elected at caucus) voted for people who gave speeches in which they declared for Cruz. It’s that simple. Cruz had way more support in Colorado than Trump or Kasich. Trump has way more support in, say, NY. So he will win NY.


68 posted on 04/12/2016 7:38:24 PM PDT by ModelBreaker (')
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To: writer33

I’m curious can any of you Trump supporters tell me when it was Cruz wrote the rules for the Colorado election, if not what makes Cruz responsible for the injustice you percieve to have occurred in Colorado?


69 posted on 04/12/2016 7:43:33 PM PDT by heshtesh ((New Yorker for Cruz))
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To: samantha

It’s called sarcasm. But then I can’t expect a Trump supporter to be any more intelligent the then their candidate.


70 posted on 04/12/2016 7:45:32 PM PDT by Mac n Jac (www.vetsfightingms.org)
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To: Pravious

Even when the people get to vote Trump cheats the system and ends up with way more delegates than his winning percentage should have allowed, also to call someone moron is a violation of the posting rules, try to control yourself going forward


71 posted on 04/12/2016 7:52:36 PM PDT by wild74
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To: CA Conservative
As I expected - when confronted with facts that challenge your twisted view of reality, you run.

You pay me $100 in advance, I'll spend an hour educating you. Other then that, you mean less to me then the used cat litter and I certainly would not spend any of my time teaching your dumb ass.
72 posted on 04/12/2016 8:02:27 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
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To: Pravious

Please, don’t ask too much from the Cruz folks.

They’re only out on leave from the asylum for a few weeks.


73 posted on 04/12/2016 8:02:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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To: Mac n Jac
Wrongo oh buzzard breath,not a coinkDink all the scruzebots from Texas are the radicals,nasties,over the top,grovelers. Whiners Inc.
74 posted on 04/12/2016 8:04:46 PM PDT by samantha (keep up the fight....)
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To: JoSixChip

Well, since you have no idea what you are talking about, I guess I’ll pass.


75 posted on 04/12/2016 8:06:38 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: PA-LU Student; RedWhiteBlue

You are just flat out wrong and uninformed. In the past, we elected delegates that were bound to a candidate at caucuses. I had participated in those myself. We did also have a caucuses this year and we did elect delegates, but they were non-binding delegates and the party discarded the results. It was nothing more then a meaningless straw poll. This year the Colorado gop chose the delegates, not the voters. Spin it anyway you like, that is just the fact.


76 posted on 04/12/2016 8:17:55 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
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To: CA Conservative
Well, since you have no idea what you are talking about, I guess I’ll pass.

Anybody doesn't have a clue what the hell they are talking about it is you asshole. That is why I was making fun of you in the first place.
77 posted on 04/12/2016 8:20:09 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
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To: JoSixChip
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. It has never been done like this here in Colorado before. I am so sick of you filthy frikking cruz liars.

Wow, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about! I am so sick of you idiots auto-attacking anything you see as an insult or negative to Trump.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3420282/posts?page=15
78 posted on 04/12/2016 8:42:47 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Pravious

Yes Donald, Colorado Did Vote…On March 1st
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3420282/posts


79 posted on 04/12/2016 8:42:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Svartalfiar
Wow, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about! I am so sick of you idiots auto-attacking anything you see as an insult or negative to Trump.

Your the one that doesn't have a clue what hell it is talking about. Just so you know, everything you read on the internet is not true.
80 posted on 04/12/2016 8:48:52 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
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