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To: House Atreides

“Party officials” are not the voters.

Losing a battle to win the war.


5 posted on 04/14/2016 10:51:22 AM PDT by ChuteTheMall (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: ChuteTheMall

“Party officials” are not the voters.

Losing a battle to win the war.
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True dat. The voters were all the Republicans who actually showed up to participate and vote. Republicans who didn’t want to bother CHOSE TO NOT VOTE.

In conclusion..... Waaahaaaaaaaa!


8 posted on 04/14/2016 10:54:39 AM PDT by House Atreides (TRUMP or CRUZ --- The 1st one to get to 1237 gets the Nomination Brass Ring...PERIOD)
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To: ChuteTheMall

The voters get their say in November.

The parties, whomever they may be and whatever they may call themselves in this era, choose their candidates prior to November.

That’s how it’s always been. You want to be the nominee of a party? Then you play by the rules of that party. (And each state party has its own rules, which may differ from the national party. That’s how it is.)

Obama outfoxed Hillary by using party rules in 2008. Looks like she’s learned from that experience.

Supporters of various candidates in BOTH parties can’t seem to understand that basic fact this year. The parties are not democracies. They make their rules. They choose their candidates, and they often choose to listen to popular sentiment in doing so. Sometimes they don’t.

Us little guys can either choose to get involved in the party machines and gain influence, or we can just use our one vote in November.

It will be interesting to see if the political process has changed by 2020.


25 posted on 04/14/2016 11:08:47 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: ChuteTheMall

Ted Cruz and the GOPe Party Syndicate is totally destroying any chance of the Republicans taking the Presidency and they will also lose the Senate. They are an insult to the Republican base which the majority does not support Cruz nor the GOPe, in fact this entire election cycle has been and still is all about the rejection of the GOPe unrepresentative agendas, their disrespect for the will, the majority and the votes of the Republican base, and this entire election cycle is about a rebellion from such establishment and their entire process of “delegating down” from the top who is going to be the candidates and ignoring the will of the people and their vote and voice. Because of this, which is the GOPe’s own creation due to their total unwillingness to listen the base and their total inaction to the hopes and desires of the base, and due to the GOPe’s total slap in the face of the voting base and their voice which is shutdown using disgusting Syndicate tactics such as what Ted Cruz is now doing because Cruz cannot, nor ever will, get the majority vote and as a loser he has drunk the poison of Party Syndicalism which is designed to suppress the voice and the majority vote of the base and replace the vote and the voice with preselected delegation of result by Double Agents of the GOPe, and Cruz having drunk this poison will use the SAME Falangismo tactics at every level should he succeed and enable the GOPe to hardwire such abominations into the Party for decades, but it doesn’t matter in the sense that if Cruz and his fascist and un-democratic schemes succeed, Cruz will be singlehandedly responsible for the total destruction of the Republican Party because there is simply no way, no how, no time that the majority base will stand for their voice and vote being arbitraged by Party Syndicate delegation that replaces their vote and their majority voice with hacks of the GOPe and only act for the suppression of the majority and the use of “rules” to RULE OVER the majority and silence their participation with fascist tactics that are totally un-American and right out of Falangist Spain or Cuba.

The result, if successful, will be that the majority base will NOT vote for the assassin Cruz the Party Syndicalist, and the Democrats will win in a huge landslide. There is no way I would EVER vote for Cruz at this juncture, if he cannot win outright the majority vote than in no way will I EVER accept this un-American and fascist nomination, Cruz is clearly a threat to our very liberty in his actions and disrespect and unprincipled betrayal of the will and voice and vote of the Republican base, he is a clear and present DANGER to us and he will spread this Falangist poison at every level the more power he accumulates by means of silencing the silent majority though tactics of the Syndicate.

However, in the end, I do not think Cruz nor the GOPe will have their abomination succeed. Yet, even with their demise, which I assure you IS COMING, they have damaged the Republican Party for decades to come if, and until, the Party has an entire ROOT CANAL ridding such Falangists from the Party for good. That would be the next objective, once the will and votes of the people take their God given course and rights back from such fascists. The Republican base majority will NEVER accept Syndicalism to determine THEIR MANDATE and THEIR WILL! Never! Cruz and his ilk from the GOPe are DESTROYING THE PARTY with such Falangism, WE WILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEM AND THIS! There is nothing “smart” about what Cruz is doing, any idiot can be like him, a pathetic tool and selfish hack of the Syndicate. We are not so stupid to not see what he is, now!

STOP CRUZ!
FREE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FROM PARTY SYNDICALISM!
STOP BUSH, STOP MCCONNELL, STOP BOEHNER, STOP GRAHAM, STOP RUBIO, STOP ROMNEY, STOP RYAN, STOP CRUZ!


71 posted on 04/14/2016 12:02:43 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: ChuteTheMall
"“Party officials” are not the voters."

They are local Republican activists at the conventions, not big shot "party officials". You'll just have to excuse them for wanting an actual conservative Republican to be the nominee.

BTW, they are picking a nominee for a party. It's not actually the Presidential election yet. Nothing says all the voters have to get a say in who a party chooses to nominate to represent the party in the election. And historically, it wasn't usually done that way.

80 posted on 04/14/2016 12:13:52 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ChuteTheMall

“Party officials” are not the voters.”

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I see that in 2012 over 180,000 people attended their local caucuses in Nebraska and voted for people to send to the state convention. The hundreds of delegates that they send to the state convention are “unbound”. At the state convention there were 33 people elected (by those hundreds of delegates) and those are bound.

Anybody can go to their neighborhood caucus as long as they have a photo id and are a registered Republican. I gave a $15 donation that was requested at mine (Washington State). I was elected to go to my district caucus. I think that had a required $15 fee.

Any voter could attend. Ours was mainly Cruz supporters. Probably owing to the several emails and a call I got from Cruz volunteers. Too bad Mr. Trump doesn’t do that. Although his big rallies and media buys are what he is going after, which may be the winning strategy.


147 posted on 04/14/2016 1:29:49 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: ChuteTheMall
“Party officials” are not the voters.

Correct. Convention participants are the voters.

There are two things at stake here. The first has to do with how the delegate will be bound during the first ballot. This is determined by primary voters and caucus goers. Those results determine how many delegates are committed to each candidate for the first ballot. This means that a delegate cannot vote his conscience, but must instead vote according to the candidate he is assigned to.

The second thing at stake here is choosing the individual who is going to serve as the delegate. This is decided by state convention attendees, district meeting participants, etc. And it is here that Cruz is beating Trump. Because Cruz is getting his people to these conventions and meetings. And he is able to do this because he has had these supporters in place for months.

This second part is important because if no candidate gets a majority on the first ballot, then the delegates are free to vote their conscience. And if these delegates happen to be Cruz supporters, then it becomes possible for Cruz to gain a majority by the second, third, or fourth ballot.

There is nothing shady or underhanded about this. Those who show up get a voice in what happens. Cruz's people have shown up. Trump's people have not. And unfortunately for Trump, it is far too late in the game to catch up, which was the big lesson in Colorado. Because the people at the convention who voted on the delegates were themselves elected during the precinct caucuses back on March 1. So if the Trump campaign wasn't involved in the process on March 1, they have no voice at the state convention.

The bottom line here is that Trump simply did not do his homework, while Cruz did. The Cruz campaign began laying the groundwork in Colorado last August. By December, Cruz had state campaign chair and a solid organization in place. Contrast that with Trump who didn't settle on a campaign chair until after the caucuses had already taken place.

164 posted on 04/14/2016 2:01:39 PM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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