Priebus slams Never Trump movement, calls for GOP unity

The child being aborted has difficulty distinguishing between Sanger's overt militancy and Trump's studied indifference. The result is still a dead baby. Race has nothing to do with the issue. Sure, Sanger was an overt eugenicist/racist who believed, along with the Nazis that what she and they deemed untermenschen were best left unborn and dead if necessary.

It goes without saying that Hitlery has neither a soul nor a conscience. She deftly slew both decades ago. I never would have considered her an option and neither would you or most others here have done so.

That does not elevate Trump to the status of even minimally desireable candidate. Trump's clumsy attempts to appear pro-life reveal him not to be trustworthy but he may have stayed at Holiday Inn Express last night. If that thin and unappetizing and non-nutritious gruel is the best that we are offered in all likelihood, then I will reluctantly consume it and live another day hopefully without Hitlery but I am not going to make believe that I am dining on the best that a competent French restaurant has to offer. Gruel is still gruel.

Trump CLAIMS to have experienced a sudden pro-life Epiphany when bouncing the "really amazing" kid of a friend in his lap sometime after his 1999 statement tio NBC News that he was as "pro-choice" as anyone in America including as to "partial birth abortion." Most of his own children were born before 1999. Did he not bounce THEM in his lap? Were THEY not "really amazing?" What about the kids who are not "really amazing," the merely ordinary kids or even those with various disabilities from birth, very poor kids?

Has he thought this through? If he went to the Wharton School of Finance, he has the intellectual horsepower to think it through, but has he? If so, why is he so clumsy? If not, why not? Has he even bothered to talk individually with a few pro-lifers to gain an understanding of how his rhetoric on the babies clashes with theirs? mkjessup:

You conduct yourself always as a gentleman here. HOW can you abide Trump in regard to his language and his manners (and lack thereof)? My best wishes to you as well. God bless!

Counseling should help some of them when the time comes.......But not the total crazies. For your reading pleasure once more: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3423653/posts?page=73#73

From here

On Thursday morning, as part of his daily online blitzkrieg against his enemies, Trump retweeted a picture that appears to show Kelly with Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a Saudi billionaire who owns stakes in a number of American companies, including 21st Century Fox, the corporate parent of Fox News.

The caption superimposed on the picture reads, in part, “Most people don’t know that the co-owner of Fox News is Prince Al-Waleed of Saudi Arabia here with his sister and with host Mygan Kelly.”

Unfortunately for Trump, there were at least three problems with the message he retweeted. First, the picture is likely a fake—it circulated last summer, prompting the fact-checking site Snopes.com to conclude that it had been doctored. Second, the claim that bin Talal is a “co-owner” of Fox News is misleading. And third, the Prince isn’t the sort of fellow to sit back and ignore such antics. On Thursday afternoon, he posted a tweet of his own, in English, which read, “Trump:You base your statements on photoshopped pics?I bailed you out twice;a 3rd time,maybe?”

At first, I thought this message might be another hoax. However, a former political analyst at the Saudi Embassy, Fahad Nazer, contacted me to point out that it had come from bin Talal’s verified Twitter account. Plus, this isn’t the first time that bin Talal, who is a nephew of the late King Abdullah, has tangled with Trump on Twitter. In December, after Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, the Prince tweeted, “You are a disgrace not only to the GOP but to all America. Withdraw from the U.S presidential race as you will never win.” Trump fired back: “Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016.”

As bin Talal’s latest dig at Trump suggests, the two have a tangled past, stemming from the Prince’s history as an investor. According to Forbes magazine, he is the richest individual in the Arab world, with a net worth of more than seventeen billion dollars. On Wall Street, he is known for buying beaten-down stocks and holding onto them for a long time, and for being a passive investor. During the early nineties, he bought into News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch’s company. He is still the second-biggest investor, behind Murdoch, in 21st Century Fox, which was split off from News Corp. a couple of years ago (but to describe him, as the doctored image did, as the “co-owner” of Fox News is a big stretch). He also owns stakes in Apple, Disney, Citigroup, and Twitter.

This latest tweet battle with Trump refers to the Prince’s investments in troubled Trump properties. The first of these transactions took place in 1991, when, according to Businessweek, bin Talal bought Trump’s huge yacht the Trump Princess from creditors, for eighteen million dollars. At the time, Trump’s Atlantic City casinos were heavily indebted; he also put his airline, the Trump Shuttle, up for sale.

Your boy, famous for bedhopping has had some strange bedfellows in his past. He's real loyal, too.

The pro-life organizations jumped down Trump's throat NOT for speaking of making abortion "illegal/murder" but for what people, virtually all people, involved in the pro-life movement regard as totally impractical: prosecuting the mothers which would keep them from offering necessary testimony against the abortionists.

Imprison five abortionists and strip their medical licenses and there soon will be no above ground abortion mills in existence. There is a verrrry limited supply of medical quacks who want to kill babies for a living as it is. Imprison some and there will be very few willing to admit their crimes against humanity. At one time or another, nearly 50% of the human race (women) have some potential to be mothers. Not so with the butchers. They are the numerically miniscule vulnerable choke point. They prosper financially by killing little babies. Some of the mothers may be sympathetic characters because of the circumstances of their lives. NONE of the butchers are sympathetic.

So the way it works in real life criminal courts where I practiced for decades is that you charge the mother as well as charging the butcher. You then offer the mother immunity from prosecution (rather than the risk of, say, ten years in prison) in exchange for her honest testimony against the butcher who needs 25-life. You sign a written contract on that detailing the parameters of the immunity and detailing the mother's obligations needed to earn it. She testifies. The butcher is convicted and jailed. Her charges are dropped since she is small fry wth some bargaining advantages. The worst repeat offenders among women might possibly have seven or eight abortions, each and every one a tragedy. One butcher can kill thousands of babies, each and every one a tragedy. Letting the mother off the hook to nail the butcher is great judicial economy.

When you say that we "can't have it both ways," if you mean we cannot immunize the mother and convict the butcher, I deny that. This is not a matter of being FAIR to the poor butcher as has been asserted by others here trying to defend Trump's blunder. The butcher can cry me a river from his/her jail cell. I've seen a lot of less justified reasons to imprison other people.

If you mean that pro-lifers are being UNFAIR to Trump, again, I deny that. If he wants to convince us that he is pro-life, he has to prove it convincingly given his lifelong commitment to "legal" abortion and persistent regard for Planned Barrenhood. Anyone can change but the worse the track record the harder the proof.

God bless you and yours.

Also, when I vote, I judge. So do you. So get off that high horse. You are no more God than I am. OTOH, I am also not a mushroom and I certainly hope you aren’t. God gave you eyes to see with and ears to hear with and a brain to make it possible for you to think AND judge at election time. Use them.

Good Evening Sir,

Your views are always well considered (by me at least) and I suppose that there isn’t any real way to peer inside Trump’s mind and know how he has formulated his views on the sanctity of life. IF I was going to try to play the role temporarily of ‘The President’s Analyst’ (great and funny movie from 1967 starring the late James Coburn), here is what my prognosis of Trump’s views might be:

First, Trump has a mind that is unquestionably brilliant, one that rarely shuts down. If he gets more than a few hours of sleep a night, I’d be amazed. Being sleep deprived myself (here I am up at almost 2:00 am Eastern lol) there is a proven connection between the lack of sleep and how effective our words and communications are when we express them, i.e., Trump speaks his mind at any given moment without much contemplation, he relies upon what he has experienced, learned and *knows* as he speaks his thoughts.

That isn’t the stuff of political correctness, that’s just (in many people’s opinion) being straightforward and letting the chips fall where they may, not necessarily a bad thing.

Second, his past declarations about being ‘pro choice’ I would surmise were more along the lines of not wanting to take the position of ordering women what to do or not do regarding their reproductive situations, rather than saying it’s ok to murder an unborn child. My opinion (for whatever it’s worth) is that he has always considered life to be sacred, however he considers free will to be even more sacred. The reality of the insidious practice of abortion is that even if it were banned outright, there would be those who would provide the means to continue the practice, because there would always be some women seeking to obtain such ‘services’ illegally. Sad but true.

At the risk of an overly broad characterization, I think that one factor that may have influenced Trump’s past utterances about being ‘pro-choice’ might be that he has been surrounded by (and influenced by) the views of many women in New York City (and elsewhere) who are liberally more inclined to be ‘pro-choice’. I doubt (like you) that Trump has spent very much time with the likes of Operation Rescue, or similar groups like the Susan B. Anthony List, Family Research Council, etc. Their pro-life advocacy (again I’m speculating) simply never crossed paths with Trump in a meaningful way.

Third, based on Trump’s statements regarding all this, I believe he IS pro-life at his core, and I agree with you that some of his words have not been crafted with the smoothness of a professional politician. I wouldn’t go so far to say that he has been ‘clumsy’ about it, just that he has spoken more extemporaneously without a bunch of consultants telling him ‘how’ to say it, he just *says* it.

Fourth (and finally), IF there was anything calculated about Trump’s statements regarding abortion, I might speculate that he long ago in this campaign made the determination that Planned Parenthood would automatically side with and support Hillary Rotten Criminal no matter what, and that he didn’t need to galvanize the pro-abortion crowd, which is why he said that Planned Parenthood ‘does some good things’ aside from abortion. He doesn’t want to make this election about abortion, no matter how heinous it is, the prime issues (engaging in some ‘realpolitik’) are shutting down illegals flooding into this country, waging unrelenting war on terrorists threatening our Nation, turning our economic ship around, and unleashing our American Exceptionalism to do it. If we fail to get control of our borders and stop this invasion that Barky O’Bama has unleashed upon us, we will soon cease to exist. And abortion will cease to be considered an urgent issue at all, along with a great many other things.

Is Trump the perfect candidate? Of course not, there is no such thing in my opinion. But he has tapped into the undercurrent of the American people, and like them, he is torqued off with the political ‘business-as-usual’ crowd, the UniParty mindset of both Democrats and Republicans, and with approximately 10 billion dollars in his pocket, he doesn’t need donors, he can’t be bought off, and that is why we see both political parties, the media, the far left all united to somehow stop him, and thus far: they are failing.

As for Trump’s manners and language?

I’m looking for a General George S. Patton, not Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery sipping tea with his little pinky finger extended, Trump might be a bull in a china shoppe but he’s going to be OUR bull and I’m hoping he’ll be smashing up all the delicate sensitivities of the treasonous status quo in Washington and elsewhere.

My best to you as always and until next time, Good Night.

>>I don’t vote for pro-aborts, Reince.
Nevertrump!

I thought the owner of this site made it clear that he does not wish to have NeverTrump posters continue with their undermining of the RNC front runner, DJT.

Did he change his mind? If not, why are you deliberately posting your NeverTrump words?

I beg the zot!
I beg the zot!

the crowds grow silent as the lord interrogator tries one more time, to prevent the imminent zot "do you confess that you have rejected the #NeverTrump cult as a false confession?"
Well, do you, do you renounce #NeverTrump or do you choose the ZOT?" (dramatic pause)....

Ozone is gathering, Oh what is to be done!!!

My understanding is the #nevertrump crowd is in severe danger of being recycled...

I like Donald so much, I don’t understand why people don’t admire and adopt his direct, abrupt and colorful manner of communication.

favorite words from Donald “We are gonna bomb the hell out of ISIS, it is going to be a disaster for them I promise, no really, I mean it, we are going to bomb the hell out of them... can I say it, they are Radical Islamic Terror and we are going to hit them so hard you won’t believe... We are going to be so strong nobody is going to mess with our military.... nobody I promise its true.”

A post needs your attention, Jim.

Nothing gets the heart a-stirring like blunt, honest words said by a true PATRIOT ! :-)

The stupid "pearl clutchers" should just go take a lie-down on their "fainting couches", as someone fans them and daubs their foreheads with cologne.

As for me and mine, strike up a good old Sousa March, wave the RED, WHITE AND BLUE proudly, and tell it like it is and should be!

You probably need to lose that tagline...
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As conservatives and patriots,
it’s time to put bruised egos behind us,
heal our differences and act united
in the best interests of our nation.
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Congratulations to our presumptive nominee, Donald Trump!
April 20, 2016 | by Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3422979/posts
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I’m a Trump supporter, with that said you shouldn’t misuse scripture.

“Judge not lest you be judged” means just as the rest says, for with what measure you judhe so shall you be judged. So if you judge a person who commits murder should die, then you should expect that if you you should also die.

Excellent question.

I see you’ve received nothing but >>crickets<< for your answer.

Someone who is a lifelong pro-abort running for POTUS and suddenly converted to “pro-ife” (on the flimsiest story ever told) being disingenuous? Heaven forfend!

An important quality of civilized people much less good candidates, as Bill Buckley once observed, is precisely that they know when NOT to speak their minds. This reflects prudence and judgment not PC. It is a matter of self-discipline which is important for anyone including those who would lead us.

Second, if we passed a statute prohibiting the murder of anyone already born, there would still be incidents like the slaying of eight family members including the mother of a four day old infant in Ohio (right next to the infant) yesterday. That is not a reason to repeal the anti-homicide statute. The perfect is the enemy of the good. If, as seems probable, many homicides are deterred by such statutes but some still occur, we take the good of the deterrence of some homicides and punish those that do occur. We live in a fallen world and do what we can.

Isn't it at least as likely that his "pro-choice" expressions emanated instead as the natural fruit of a overly enthusiastic lifestyle as to many women to whom he was not married? Child support in his economic stratosphere would have been a serious thing. That does not mean that many others have not the same failing. Again, we are fallen. Some folks feel a need to be "pro-choice" philosophically because they have been "pro-choice" as regards the killing of their own inconvenient offspring. Then they make the leap that it would be "hypocrisy" for them to resist the same behavior by others. It may well be that more souls are damned by acting on that insight than by abortion itself.

Among the many, many pro-lifers that I represented in abortion mill rescues were more than a few women who had aborted their own child(ren) and more than a few men who had urged and paid for abortions to avoid child support and parenthood. They sinned. They repented. They reformed. No hypocrisy at all. Among the more impressive converts to the pro-life cause was Dr. Bernard Nathanson whose chain of abortion mills in New York City had performed 250,000 abortions. He converted, became first a hristian and then joined the Catholic Church before his death from cancer. He took the abortion money from selling his company and put every nickel into a pro-life foundation. It would have been better if he just closed them but others would have popped up to take his place anyhow.

Among the most dramatic converts were Norma McCorvey (the Roe of Roe vs. Wade) and Sarah Scorvino (the original Doe of Doe vs. Bolton) and their daughters who was born anyway because of the delays in the legal process. All four became active arrestees in Operation Rescue.

If those folks can undergo a sincere conversion on the abortion issue, and, if each one of them (other than Dr. Nathanson) is less articulate and far less educated than Donald Trump and lacking much of a previous track record for self-discipline, and yet can credibly convert, so can Trump. We are, however, for that credibility to emerge.

Free will is not meaningful if one's life is taken in utero by abortion. Free will, at least according to the Catholic Church (and I suspect also according to most of Christianity and Judaism) is a gift from God but carrying potentially dreadful consequences if misused and wonderful consequences if properly used (given that we have been redeemed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ). To use it at all, one must survive to be born. When the unrepented chips (and souls) fall on this issue, I think we have a very accurate idea of where they will fall.

I do not doubt that Trump of Manhattan has been surrounded by many "pro-choice" women. He has also known many homosexuals without becoming one. If some person came up with a great innovation to make bathrooms much more pleasant and useful in fostering even greater personal hygiene and the satisfaction that results from it, Trump the real estate developer would make sure to become familiar with the innovation to consider including it in his development plans. Should he do less if he has really discovered his inner pro-lifer?

However important it may be to stop the tide of immigration, you may well underestimate the immigrants. Even among the Islamofascists there are few abortion enthusiasts. Try to arrange a legal abortion in Saudi Arabia or Iraq or Iran. These guys are bad but on matters like preventing abortion, they are waaaaaaay ahead of us. You can likely get abortions in Mexico but very few Mexicans are coming north so that daughter Anita can abort their grandchildren or son Pablo can "marry" Larry. Their votes may be for Demonrats now more often than not but not on those issues and not permanently. If we want those Latino votes, we will have to earn them the old-fashioned way but toooooo many Republicans want to live in a dream world of 1950's white sitcom existence that will never happen again. We are Americans. We are ingenious. It is in our DNA. Americans effectively invented automobiles, computers, atomic weapons, television, the internet. I couldm]n't do any of that but selling Latinos on the American Dream (as we understand it)? Piece of cake if only we try.

Shutting down Muslim immigration altogether is well-justified by the chaotic violence perpetrated by their unidentifiable (in advance) nutcases. That is a true matter of national survival. When the Muslim world credibly reforms, we may revisit the issue and not until.

I love Patton but he was an athlete, a bit of a scholar, a general and not an office-seeker. His lapses in self-discipline when he spoke his mind kept him in perpetual hot water with Eisenhower (and even sometimes with Omar Bradley) and cost him numerous opportunities to exercise his battlefield brilliance against the Nazis. We could have won the war quicker and better if only Patton had better controlled his mouth. My factory-working parents brought me up to believe that Patton was assassinated. I believe them. BUT, to emulate Patton's style as an office seeker would be like making Rick Santorum the commanding general in Afghanistan. Rick's a good guy. BUT....Square peg. Round hole.

I want that Establishment destroyed as much as anyone here and I want it destroyed permanently. It is simply a question of which available means to that end should be chosen. I prefer that the means be well-considered and efficient and permanent destruction not short term emotional satisfaction inflicting only inconvenience on the Estblishment. Revenge is still a dish best served cold.

Thanks for your kind words and God bless!

As you always do FRiend, your commentary makes me work all of my brain cells, thanks for that.

I’ll have to digest and formulate a well thought out response to you later on, however for now, when contemplating the question of Trump as the nominee, I tend to think of Donald Rumsfeld’s words about how “you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time” and flaws and all, it appears that Trump will be the standard bearer. We don’t have to love him, don’t even have to like him, as long as he gets the job done, which is to destroy the Democrat ticket in the Fall.

Hope your weekend is off to a good start Sir.

God bless you as well.

Crickets. Crickets. Crickets.

I didn't see Jim post. I still stand by what I said. If the non-conservative Trumpbots get my online scalp here, good for them. They can pat themselves on their backs like they accomplished something when they did nothing.

Jim can do what he wishes. If I'm zotted, I'll have no ill will toward him. I don't post all that much here anymore and planned on taking a hiatus on federal issues, in July if Trump's the nominee concentrating on state issues.

Jim has to do what he has to do. I'll do what I have to do. I've spent 18 years in the conservative movement on the ground in tough territory. That's not changing.