Posted on 04/23/2016 5:40:43 PM PDT by GIdget2004
Is that the poll with a sample size of 609 when 65,000 voters participated in the Colorado Conventions? Trump didn't even show up. He'd rather whine and cry than do the work needed to get his supporters there.
If those delegates won't support Cruz then they shouldn't have voted for them.
The delegates elected and the rules of the party are decided by those who show up. We did that in Texas through the years and the grassroots has more influence than ever.
Many of them (probably not most, but some) are going to be very concerned when the DEMOCRATS use this same tactic with the ELECTORAL COLLEGE some day. All the excuses Cruzers use to justify that delegates pledged to a candidate, and voted for in the voting booth by people counting on that delegate to vote for said candidate he pledged to vote for---all of these arguments apply to the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. Just add the tortured logic and the spin the Cruzers use for stealing delegates and that's what someone will use someday on us in the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. Probably sooner rather than later.
This is just s a dry run for "voterless GENERAL elections." What better test subject than foreigner and Globalist Ted Cruz. If he can pull this off, the Electoral College is next to receive this "ground game" treatment.
If Cruzers think this is the perfect con now with flipping delegates, think how they'll feel when someone uses the SAME ARGUMENTS---"great ground game"---to flip ELECTORS.
And PS: CONGRESS has to confirm the Electoral College results. It's entirely up to them; they are not required to agree with the Electoral College. Congress could challenge them EXACTLY THE SAME as Cruzer is doing with Republican delegates. Cruzers are opening the door to banana republic elections in which the NEXT Obama who comes along will be president for life. You heard it here first.
Good to knoe, thanks for that. I think primaries are the best way to go and most fair and accessible for everyone.
That's already been done/attempted, but I think with very little success.
-- Cruzers are opening the door to banana republic elections .... --
Like where the viable candidates are selected by the ruling elite, in the first place?
If the federal government was faithful to the constitution, the public wouldn't much care - and shouldn't much care. The fact that we are so invested in the outcome is evidence that everything is now a federal case.
Also playing into this, I am amazed at how much of the presidential campaigns is run on legislative issues. Stunning.
Stealing the nomination from Trump will probably be the end of people trying to vote their way to a solution and a small minority will decide violence is the solution. I'm beginning to think that this how the republic dies and Cruz supporters are cheering it on. However, keep in mind most of this talk from Cruz supporters is designed to demoralize Trump supporters and it's unlikely the GOP has the guts to grow through with it.
I think many are looking at this election on both sides and saying change isn’t going to come at the ballot box. I can say I see NO reason to remain a part of the GOP.
Seems the Revolutionary War was won by a very small minority of pissed off patriots.
Is that 65,000 out of the 806,000 registered Republicans who weren't allowed to vote?
More of the typical simple-minded analysis we’ve all come to expect from you. All these great delegate ‘victories’ by Cruz (e.g. Colorado, Wyoming, Maine) are pyrrhic victories. Why? Because Trump is playing a different game than Cruz is. Trump sees the big picture.
Letting these rigged elections and caucuses play out in smaller states like Maine, Wyoming, and Colorado is helping Trump more than actually winning the delegates would have done, because it’s revealing for all to see, Cruz’s conniving, undemocratic ways. Trump is spending his time and resources more effectively in states that really matter, like CA where running away with it. That’s called smart management. But, go ahead and gloat over your ‘victory’ and superior tactics. Lol.
Congrats to the Cruz team for showing how it’s done.
Watch and learn, Donald.
AMEN! Totally agree with your summary, thank you!
Taking no sides here, I'd really like to remind my fellow FReepers that we do NOT have a "direct democracy" here, but rather a "representational republic".
It was made very clear on the Ohio primary ballots - we had a choice of slates of DELEGATES to vote for. We had a choice of voting on either Dem. or GOP ballot (no questions asked, other than "Democratic or Republican" ballot, and show ID). There were also numerous GOP candidates (which ballot I voted) still listed on the ballot that had "suspended" their campaigns at least a month earlier.
So goes it for states' rights, which I tend to favor, the point being the so-called "establishment GOP" had nothing to do with it!
It's pretty much the same process that Colorado has had in place since 1912. If the Colorado Republican voters don't like it, they should show up and change it.
No thanks. Trump wins democratically. He doesn’t need to learn how to win by disenfranchise voters.
“Can you name a state Trump won where he didn’t get a majority of Republican voters? I didn’t think so.”
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Let’s try Utah!
Cruz has cheated and bent or broke every rule in the book - and he’s STILL losing. If you’re going to cheat, you should at least win. That’s your brilliant winner, Ted Cruz. Your guy is down by millions of votes and 100’s of delegates. Tuesday is going to be another landslide for Trump. And you’re gloating over an unethically won victory in Maine? Do you like making a fool of yourself?
It’s not the same process Colorado has had in place. They actually changed it to a voterless election in August when they first glimpsed the Trump momentum.
Wonder if you’ll still be defending voterless elections when that’s all we have. Will you still think it’s ok for party insiders to gather and decide for the rest of us when that’s the only game in town?
When you allow tyranny at any level, you open the door for it at every level.
Was Hawaii, Kentucky, American Samoa, Northern Marianas all corrupt? What is your assessment of those caucus or convention states? This is really critical.
Don’t take their last hope away!
They are hoping for a brokered convention! Teddy can’t win any other way.
The non-binding straw poll was removed. All registered republicans could still participate in the March 1st Colorado precinct conventions and pretty much any of them that wanted to could be a delegate to the County Assemblies. Just ask Larry Lindsay who was a county delegate but didn’t even show up and then cried to the world about his stupidity.
I have no knowledge of those elections being corrupt. And unlike, Colorado and Wyoming, the average voter had an opportunity to participate in those elections.
But back to the point of my original response to you. To try to portray what happened in Maine as an example of Cruz outclassing Trump in organization is absurd. This campaign is a series of battles. Trump understood that focusing his resources on bigger prizes like NY and eastern seaboard and letting Cruz win the smaller states with dishonest tactics was the smarter strategy. Trump has actually gained more politically by allowing Cruz to reveal himself in these states than he would have by fighting him directly.
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