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To: JerseyDvl

You and your wife are trolls and sellouts who only get in the way of Making America Great Again so just opus out and leave the heavy lifting to REAL AMERICANS. Later Traitor.


Seriously? What happened to civility on this site. If you disagree with me, fine, but the name calling is simply way too DUesque.

I believe FR is above that. We’ll see, I guess.

There really has been a change in the level of discourse since I joined in 1998. That is disappointing, but the web has changed a LOT in 18 years, in a lot of very good ways.


52 posted on 04/27/2016 5:25:07 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
Trump is about my forty-fifth choice in a field of seventeen. I don't like him. I cannot abide his incivility and rudeness and atrocious language nor the utterly impolitic and discourteous behavior of his enthusiasts. I think of Trump as a slightly reformed Manhattan liberal and that is no compliment.

OTOH, I am conservative and generally stubborn. I refused to vote for Moral Monster Mitt Romney last time because he was certainly the worst "Republican" ever nominated for POTUS and the purest creature of undiluted evil. Whatever Trump may be, he is NOT Romney. Likewise he is not Hitlery. Other than 2012, this is the worst choice of probable nominees in my rather long lifetime.

I take it that you and your wife have reasons rooted in morality, taste and actual conservatism for determining to never vote for Trump. Your final voting decisions are obviously yours to make and not really any of my business other than that the results of this election will affect us all. In that spirit, I offer the following: 1. We are conservatives and will still be conservatives when this fiasco is over When the landscape is littered with millions of disappointed and broken broken Trump loving hearts whether via losing to Hitlery or by failing to meet the impossibly high hopes of his emotionally intoxicated enthusiasts, we will still be here to clean up the mess.

2. I will vote for Trump IF and only IF he is the nominee of the GOP. Unless the GOP manipulates the nomination into the hands of the unknown corporatist scum, I will not vote for Trump as a third party candidate because he would then be clearly a spoiler and nothing more. I still prefer Scott Walker if the nomination becomes his.

3. All that having been said, and with a background as one of the most persistent Trump critics here, I wil concede to him that I do trust him on certain issues enough to vote for him as the nominee:

a. He will stop the shameful neglect of elderly and disabled veterans, an issue where he has apparently put his personal money where his mouth is; b. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms as outlined too strongly on his campaign website EVER to go back; c. He has to be more likely (even if by accident) than Hitlery to appoint acceptable SCOTUS and other fedjudges (my issues here being RTKBA, Right to Life and Social Conservatism generally), understands that pro-life is a third rail for any Republican who deviates. I don't think he is actually a pro-lifer but, as Calvinist Henry of Navarre said: Paris is worth a Mass;

d. He will certainly beef up the military BIG TIME after its neglect in recent years although he might be reluctant to deploy the military when necessary or desirable;

e. He is quite likely to put the military back in the hands of social normalist military men and to purge the Obozo menagerie;

f. Some hope that he will make competent executive department appointments dedicated to a more beneficial and constitutional path for our country;

g. He will not be perfect even if elected but he would be a LOT more perfect than Hitlery and, in this sad year, that will have to suffice.

Whatever you and your beloved decide, may God bless you and yours!

57 posted on 04/27/2016 6:00:51 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: cuban leaf

Sorry for all the paragraph failures in #57. Old fumblefingers strikes again and is too old and lazy to re-format. The substance is there nonetheless.


58 posted on 04/27/2016 6:04:35 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: cuban leaf
Also in addition to #57:

h. He will build the Wall but we will pay for it;

i. He will slam the door shut on Islamic immigration from the Middle East, saving untold numbers of American lives from the lunatics who would have come in with them;

j. I suspect he will be a tough practitioner of a largely (at the moment) undefined foreign policy, that he will expect other nations to defend themselves for a change, eschew "nation building," drive fuel prices downward by not propping them up, tell the UN to fry ice, junk at least some trade deals, put a stop to Iran's nuclear weapon ambitions or to Iran as is Iran's choice, etc.

60 posted on 04/27/2016 6:16:35 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: cuban leaf

Your admitting to being nothing more than a stalking horse for Hillary and that deserves only disdain. With people like you so firmly in the establishment camp its no wonder they lose so many elections.


62 posted on 04/27/2016 9:12:44 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (#NeverHillary now that we've gotten rid of Lying LOSER Ted Cruz.)
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