Posted on 04/30/2016 5:29:17 PM PDT by dynoman
Do you use USC 8 §1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth as the basis in law for your belief?
I think some real clarification is in order as long as we are giving citizenship to anyone born here no matter the citizenship status of parents.
We have Chinese, Mexicans, and people from many other countries coming here simply to give birth here so their child can have U.S. citizenship. The mothers that do this usually return to their country soon after the child is born and raise that child in another country. Do we really want those people to be eligible to be President when they grow up?
I think we need to stop making any baby born here an automatic citizen then it would not be the issue it is now.
Well, according to the Founders, they are supposed to investigate the candidates and deliberate before voting. This was discussed in the Federalist Papers, No. 68, regarding the function of presidential electors:
"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."
As indicated in Federalist No. 68, the Founders were confident that the electors could pick qualified persons to be president:
"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."
Like I said, the only people who want to change the system are people who just don't like a particular choice that the electors have made for reasons having nothing to do with the Constitution. But, it doesn't matter. They are few in number.
Yes, there is a process in place. So, what is all the excitement about? Everything is fine.
Another reason why this is a federal question needing resolution in a federal court.
If you think everything is fine then why do you keep posting?
-I understand .I also had hopes for Cruz. At the early stages I had support for him as a back up but when he sandbagged Rr. Carson in Iowa and then lied about his sell out for money on TPP . Hell. Last week when he openly lied on the Levin propaganda hour about Trump’s positions on foreign policy and said he was for “single payer”, I gave up on Cruz for anything. I think he will struggle for reelection in his own state. Trump has eviscerated him but he has destroyed himself through his lies.
Looks like it is the Party's responsibility to verify qualifications here in Texas.
But, you're right. It's time for me to go to the gym. I'll check back later. In the meantime, you can beat up on Alexander Hamilton. ;-)
The lying Cubanadian never was and never will be a natural born citizen.
"I believe that a person who is a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen."Apparently you do not understand the difference between a citizen, a born citizen and a natural born Citizen. Do you even know why the various eligibility requirements for presidents were put in place?
What is the difference between a born citizen (citizen at birth) and a natural born Citizen as required of presidents by our founders? How does the adjective "natural" further restrict the meaning of the phrase and why did the founders add it?
Why then did the founders, who were superbly elegant and articulate, not simply write "born citizen?" Why would they insert the totally meaningless, superfluous (as you imply) adjective "natural" into a key phrase of the Constitution?
What further restrictive meaning does the adjective "natural" add to the phrase "born citizen" (i.e., citizen at birth)?
Didn’t you get sick and tired of the sealed records routine with Obama? If a person likes their privacy, they shouldn’t run for public office. If a person runs for public office, he or she should be willing to unseal pertinent records.
Yep
I totally agree; ‘pertinent records’ should be made public.
Heidi said her husband is a Hispanic immigrant. I think she knows him best.
Agree, but the DC Cartel has it backwards. We are here to serve them, and the only problem is that we don’t sufficiently appreciate them. That’s one reason it’s crucial to bypass the Cartel this time and elect a real outsider...and that’s not Cruz.
Would it have been pertinent for Texans to know they were electing a Canadian to the office of US Senator?
However, if someone creates a convincing argument that it can only mean one thing, then he or she should share that argument with the American people and if it is sufficiently convincing, the American people and their electors will accept it and employ it in selecting presidents. So far, I think most people seem comfortable with equating natural born citizen with citizenship at birth and I think that's what they've been doing.
See, one of the problems here is that most people see candidates like McCain and Cruz (both of whom spent their lives living in American neighborhoods, studying in American schools) as completely American. They don't see them as strangers to America who have come from some foreign land to subvert our system. So, using those people as examples of what the natural born citizen clause is designed to protect us from is counter-productive. When they see POW-United States Senator McCain, they don't see any great danger and they aren't motivated to narrow the natural born citizen clause in order to exclude his candidacy.
This year it looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Clinton. I guess there will be a few folks who will invent a claim that Trump is really the son of some Arab rug merchant or that Clinton was really born in France, but it won't work any better than it did the last time. Somebody will sell a few books and CD's, but most people won't be fooled. This kind of baloney - "The True History of So and So" - has become part of our electoral process. But, you're not required to take it seriously. You're not required to be a sucker. It doesn't mean anything in the long run.
Please see 338. I probably should have posted that to you, too.
But it’s okay...because she had a “ message from Jesus”...after she went to work for Goldman Sachs, which was after she and the Tedster met and married working for the W adminstration. Frauds. They need to be run out of town. Along with Beck and W.
Texas needs to wise up. They got played in a U S Senate race. That’s not good. Awful lot of the country counts on Texas not being stupid. Saw it myself in 2010 driving out of San Antonio up to the Hill Country...all those bumper stickers that read “Got Socialism” with the Obama O. C’mon folks...teach all the dumbass Yankee transplants how to wear boots and flip off the government.
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