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To: WhiskeyX
When I say that the electors have not made any mistakes, I mean that as a group they have never elected an ineligible candidate. I recognize that there may have been some rogue electors, including (apparently) the three who voted for a dead Greeley. They may have felt that they had no choice.

In any event, our system has worked well for over 50 straight elections. Obviously, they have sometimes chosen people that we might not have chosen, but the system isn't designed to make all of us happy all the time. The fact that we don't like a particular candidate does not mean that we should try to concoct a crackpot theory based upon invented facts so that we can pretend that we have been victimized by the system.

In my view, a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen and that definition even applies to the candidates that I don't like for other reasons.

287 posted on 04/30/2016 11:45:00 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

“When I say that the electors have not made any mistakes, I mean that as a group they have never elected an ineligible candidate.”

That is a false statement, because Chester Arthur was a naturalized citizen of the United States by an act of Congress and was in no way possible a natural born citizen of the United States and Barack Hussein Obama was also not a natural born citizen of the United States under any possible theory. In fact, Barack Hussein Obama is most likely an illegal immigrant using fraudulently obtained identity documents pretending to be a U.S. citizen. Consequently, the Electors have made mistakes in at least three elections.

“I recognize that there may have been some rogue electors, including (apparently) the three who voted for a dead Greeley. They may have felt that they had no choice.
In any event, our system has worked well for over 50 straight elections.”

That statement is no less ludicrous than the statements Baghdad Bob made falsely denying the American tanks were not loose in Baghdad only blocks away from where he was giving the news conference. Barack Hussein Obama and his enablers like yourself have cause some of the worst damage to the U.S. rule of law ever seen in all of U.S. history.

“Obviously, they have sometimes chosen people that we might not have chosen, but the system isn’t designed to make all of us happy all the time. The fact that we don’t like a particular candidate does not mean that we should try to concoct a crackpot theory based upon invented facts so that we can pretend that we have been victimized by the system.”

The invented and crackpot disinformation is coming from people like you, which is obviously the reason why you are so determined to disregard and misrepresent the written laws and historical facts that refute your crackpot claims enabling the crimes of Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Obama, etc.

“In my view, a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen and that definition even applies to the candidates that I don’t like for other reasons.”

You keep repeating that false propaganda in complete disregard for the historical facts that such persons were previously denied any form of U.S. citizenship, e.g. 1802-1855 and later so it was quite impossible for the person situated in the same circumstances of birthto be qualified as natural born citizens today.


295 posted on 05/01/2016 2:18:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Tau Food; WhiskeyX
The electors DO NOT QUALIFY CANDIDATES!

I have been on this 20th amendment thing since Oct 2008! Anyway I came across this old post I did last year. I never did get a response....

I came across this page a while ago and after reading the Q&A's I decided to email the person giving the answers. I have yet to receive a reply.

Electoral College Questions

From that page the first question is;

Question:

What happens if the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration?
Answer:
If the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President-elect will act as President until such a time as a President has qualified.
Then further down on that page is another question.

Question:

Who verifies if a candidate is qualified to run for President?
Answer:
The Office of the Federal Register at the National Archives and Records Administration administers the Electoral College process, which takes place after the November general election. The Office of the Federal Register does not have the authority to handle issues related to the general election, such as candidate qualifications. People interested in this issue may wish to contact their state election officials or their Congressional Representatives.

In light of this answer I emailed the contact for that page the following.

From: Greg XXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:23 PM
To: 'electoral_college@nara.gov'
Subject: US Code 3

On this page "Previous Questions of The Week." here http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/previous_questions.html

There are two questions I would like to address, the First one is "What happens if the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration?" And the answer is correct as it states the process described in the 20th amendment and US Code 3 Sec 19. US Code 3 describes the process of counting the electoral vote for President and Vice President during a joint session of congress.

Then a subsequent question "Who verifies if a candidate is qualified to run for President?" That answer is not very specific. You mention the Office of Federal Register at the National Archives but go on to state it is a states issue. Well in section 11 we see the first mention of the Archivist. But there are three other copies of the certificates, one set being delivered to the President of the Senate. Then is section 15 we see that two tellers from each house previously selected and are handed the certificates for opening and are dealt with in an alphabetical order. It goes on to explain and clarify the counting process.

The word qualify does not appear until section 19 when it mentions the President "elect." This is because we have determined who the President and Vice President elect are. That is the point where qualifications are to be handled. In fact section 19 describes every different situation where someone other than the President elect would assume to act as President and in each case it also declares that that person needs to be "qualified". It is mentioned "nine" times! Now how can one think that any other person or body be responsible for seeing that in these different situations involving the qualification of the President and Vice President elect, or any of the other situation listed, be handled by but Congress?

I think there should be transcripts of some past joint sessions where eligibility is discussed. IE Chester Arthur for instance or maybe perhaps President number 10, John Tyler, who was one of the first NBC Presidents.

3 U.S. Code Chapter 1 - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES

So there is the process listed. Why and when did Congress start stopping at section 15?

52 posted on 11/02/2014 9:04:56 AM PST by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)

305 posted on 05/01/2016 7:08:50 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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