Posted on 05/25/2016 3:12:54 PM PDT by pogo101
Previously there were possible real-world scenarios which justified the continuing anti-Trump position:
1. A dark horse white knight makes an 11th hour entry and runs third party.
This is now virtually impossible, and soon will be entirely impossible. By the way, the application to get on the ballot in Texas has already passed -- so, um, good luck with this one.
2. Trump would prove so toxic in the polls that it would cause the party to do whatever was necessary to install a new candidate, even at the expense of blowing up the party to do it.
I thought this one was more likely than the previous one. I had hopes for this one. I predicted that if Trump continued doing disastrously at the polls, the party would in fact react like a hive of bees killing and ejecting an intruder insect.
However, Trump is not doing too badly in polls lately. Now, sure, the usual caveats apply: Hillary hasn't gotten her own base-unification boost, it's early yet, Trump's problems are obvious except for all the problems we don't know about yet, etc.
However, the hopes that Trump would fare so poorly at the polls that it could be used to show the base We had no choice but to do this appear to be diminished.
Now, I don't like Trump. Should his numbers go down further -- or should some horrifying skeleton emerge from his gilded closets -- I'd support the Warrior Bees Attack and Eject the Interloper scenario.
But it appears unlikely at the moment. Not impossible, but unlikely.
So I have to ask: At this point, what is the point of the #NeverTrump impulse?
Do you guys actually want Hillary Clinton in office, as Ben Howe, possibly just being baiting and trollish, said a few weeks back?
You want more lies? More Benghazis? More jailed video makers?
More Transgendered Bathrooms and Co-Ed showers? More Title IX redefinitions? More Deal Colleague letters? More Social Rape Justice hoax prosecutions?
More executive power grabs? More lying to federal judges by Administration officials? More contempt by Attorneys General and Directors of the IRS?
More illegal orders to release terrorists and give Iran the bomb?
More millions of illegals amnestied?
Remember, in the Jose Ramos debate, Hillary Clinton vowed that not a single illegal alien would be deported, ever, except for those proven to have committed murder.
More foreign policy ineptitude? More rolling into Libya without a plan and announcing like a 15 year old boyman that "We came, we saw, we kicked some ass"?
More Lois Lerners? More weaponization of government?
More hidden secret email accounts? More giving national security secrets to the Chinese to keep Hillary's "yoga routines" out of the hands of the taxpayers?
More illegal executive actions to ban guns? The woman has vowed to overturn Heller, you know.
More liberal Justices? When I flipped to hardcore anti-Trump myself a few months back, it was due to Trump's horrifying poll numbers and the grim probability he'd lose and we'd get 3-5 liberal justices. Enough to seal the Republic's fate.
Well, flash forward two months, and Trump isn't doing too badly in the polls. He might even have a decent shot at winning. At yet the "Principled Conservatives" who ought to be the most concerned about gifting the Supreme Court to the liberals for the next sixty years are blowing the subject off like it's just a big lark.
Excuse me?
Please explain to me the continuing hardcore commitment to #NeverTrump.
Is it...
1. Disliking the fact that the Upper Middle College Educated Class controlled the party for decades, and made a sport of ignoring the Working Class, but now the Working Class has reasserted itself and taken over and the members of the displaced Upper Middle College Educated Class just can't stand not being in a poll position any longer?
2. Showing off to one's liberal comrades that one isn't One Of That Kind of Conservative? That is, Virtue Signalling?
3. Attempting to save one's professional reputation? I get this one myself -- someone asked me why I was so anti-Trump, and I said the man was so vulgar, stupid, and crass that he made it necessary to oppose him simply to preserve one's professional standing.
So I get that idea. I get that idea an awful lot.
But we happen to be talking about the Republic at this point.
One of two people will be president in January -- Hillary Rodham Clinton, a sociopath who was a corrupt politician even before she entered politics (remember Whitewater? Her $100,000 cattles future trading) or Donald Trump.
What is the fear, here? That Donald Trump might be nearly as bad as Hillary Clinton certainly will be?
Name one issue on which Hillary Clinton is superior to Trump. The most I ever here is "We don't know what Trump will do, he could be just as bad as Hillary."
Oh? He could be that bad?
Look, Drew asked a while ago: What makes obviously liberal-cultural-values Republicans actually Republicans, apart from habit?
Maybe it's time for the great re-sorting to begin. It's time for actual Democrats, who are most comfortable with Democrats, and feel the most affinity for Democrats, to make their party allegiance official and simply declare for Hillary Clinton and join the Democratic Party.
Because I cannot see any "conservative" continuing to say "Oh yeah, I want to expand Dear Colleague directives to college and put more men in kangaroo court trials for hoax rapes just to show those Trump people how little I think of their ilk."
Enough. Enough.
You don't have to get on Team Trump, and you don't have to love him. Trump did not suddenly become well-informed or virtuous simply because he won the nomination.
However, at the moment, he is the only plausible tool by which we can prevent President Hillary Clinton, and if that isn't enough to at least get you to bite your tongue or find some other interest (politics isn't especially interesting, you know; there are a thousand fields more interesting and rewarding), then you're not merely #NeverTrump, you're closer to #NeverReallyAConservative.
Believe me, if Trump tanks in the polls, or if some really terrible info comes out about him (which I think is fairly likely), I'll be the first guy explaining to the Trumpheads why we must pull the bathtub drain on Trump to save the Republic.
But we're not at that moment.
And yet all around me I see people who are far too over-proud of their Upper Middle Class Background willing to elect Hillary Clinton just to prove they graduated (or at least attended) college.
Even on a day when the IG reveals that Hillary Clinton is a criminal, the Never Trumpers continue to Never Trump.
They're living in a bubble world made of their own spite and ego.
Reality is what it is. It's not always pretty and it's never ideal.
But the choice is between Hillary Clinton -- a ***king psychopathic monster, liar, and caudilla-in-waiting -- and Donald Trump, a narcissistic buffoon.
Easy call.
Just put you ego to the side and remember this election isn't about your ego, it's about America and our shared future.
Ace of Spades is what I call a libertarian-leaning "South Park Conservative." I agree with his take here. I preferred others to Trump, but the alternative at this point is something from which the USA may never recover. In particular, his critique of the conservative #NeverTrump folks (at least this late) -- what are they trying to prove? You don't have to be a "Trump Worshiper," just anti-Hillary.
Not really.
The nevertrumpers are really pro Hillary, but they know if they actually say that their careers as professional “conservatives” are over. Their justifications are becoming more and more convoluted as they try to come up with new excuses. Hopefully their careers are toast now.
What the Hell is wrong with these morons pushing this Never Trump crap. The people have spoken and if they didn’t want Trump, they should have put their collective weight behind one of the other 16 sorry ass losers.
Glenn Beck and sadly Brad Thor were discussing how some patriot should assassinate Trump
#NEverTrump.com mow has 39,000 signatures vs 36,000 about 2 weeks ago. Lol
I think the #NeverTrump people are the open borders type.
I found his opinion piece to be difficult to read.
Kind of a “blah, blah, blah, I hate Trump, but dangit, he keeps winning and I want to remain relevant to produce income so....”
I think the #NeverTrump people are the open borders type.
I agree!!
That’s why it’s so surprising to see a few stragglers left, around here.
You’re either for Trump...and America, or you’re for Hellary and Open Borders.
I found his opinion piece to be difficult to read.
Kind of a “blah, blah, blah, I hate Trump, but dangit, he keeps winning and I want to remain relevant to produce income so....”
I spent early morning listening to Hugh Hewitt demeaning Trump, and just finished listening to Michael Medved doing the same thing. The anti-Trumpers all acknowledge Hillary’s imperfections, but somehow minimalize them as much as the drive-bys, and declare their perceived puny examples of Trump’s imperfections as monumental, historic. I swear it is boggling.
We need more thought control.
It’s long past the time for the Never-Trumpers to STFU, or admit they’re Hillary backers. Any normal person would be so embarrassed by Romney’s behavior they would be ashamed to open their stupid yaps.
Let them keep talking so we find out who the faggots are.
WARNING! NSFW! Strong language!
It’s past time for the Secret Service to arrest Beck.
#never Trumper and former commie sympathizer Michael Medved is concocting a scheme where he believes that a three or four way race will ensure the defeat of Donald Trump, which he will embrace with a glee equal to what he felt when Hanoi overran South Vietnam.
Medved’s evil fantasy is that a “real conservative” like Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse (he also hates Ted Cruz) will win the Presidency when no one secures enough Electoral College votes and the House gets to pick the winner.
Medved is one the stalwarts of Salem Radio Network, which gives us luminaries like Hugh Hewitt as well.
Bow down to your GOPe overlords and do what they tell you, Earthling.
“I think the #NeverTrump people are the open borders type.”
Absolutely, there is no question about it. They have a greater loyalty to their illegal alien pets than they do Americans.
Let’s wave more Mexican flags at a Trump rally! Órale!
For conservatives there’s good and bad in Trump.
They could talk about both- like serious people do.
This guy is AWFUL narcissistic, I suppose narcissism is a component of some anti-trump “punditry”.
I'd rather die than vote for her much less donate to her campaign. Why would anyone ever do that?
Why don’t they give up?
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