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Class, Trump, and the Election
National Review Online ^ | 5/31/2016 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/31/2016 10:48:03 AM PDT by jeannineinsd

Edited on 05/31/2016 12:57:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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This is Victor Davis Hanson's blistering response to last week's NRO article by Charles Murray.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435805/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-why-hillary-is-even-worse-doesnt-cut-it

1 posted on 05/31/2016 10:48:03 AM PDT by jeannineinsd
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To: jeannineinsd

Ooh, this is GOOD!


2 posted on 05/31/2016 10:53:02 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: jeannineinsd

It is VDH’s perception of Trump as crude and vulgar that colors his opinion. Never thought of VDH as prissy but there it is.


3 posted on 05/31/2016 10:54:17 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: jeannineinsd

I’ve met VDH, sponsored him to come to campus. “Creepy” Trump huh?

In an event where he was paid $10,000 plus expenses to speak to college students, VDH did not ONE TIME ask about the University, ask who the students were, what their background was, what the course was, how his talk fit with anything.

I kinda call that “creepy.” Certainly mercenary.


4 posted on 05/31/2016 10:54:45 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: jeannineinsd

So how did a blond comb-over real-estate dealer destroy an impressive and decent Republican field and find himself near dead even with Hillary Clinton — to the complete astonishment, and later fury, of the Washington establishment?

Simply because lots of people have become exhausted by political and media elites who have thought very highly of themselves — but on what grounds it has become increasingly impossible to figure out
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Exactly!!! WE, the American Voters are FED UP with this BS and we are not going to take it any longer!!!

GO.TRUMP.GO!!! ALL THE WAY TO THE OVAL OFFICE!!!


5 posted on 05/31/2016 10:56:21 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: jeannineinsd

Has Hanson had a turnaround or was he always somewhat open to Trump.

Thanks for posting; it’s really noteworthy for the ludicrously fatuous comments of Charles Murrey - who has always rubbed me the wrong way.


6 posted on 05/31/2016 10:59:17 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: jeannineinsd

Wow. I was getting worried about VDH. But this is really, really great.


7 posted on 05/31/2016 11:03:53 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: jeannineinsd

“And how in the world does a middle-class ex-teacher and congressman with a 20-year tenure like Dennis Hastert end up with millions to pay hush money to the victims of his alleged pederastic assaults?”

Chris Wallace did a show about six years ago that provided the answer. In Hastert’s home district, the state highway department wanted to build a road connecting two major highways. They designed the road and applied to the feds for the money. Hastert insisted the road be moved several miles even thought the state thought the state would be better served with their recommendation. Hastert was an “invisible” partner with others who owned property where the new connector would join with the existing roads making them a huge profit.

Hastert’s comment was he needed the money for his retirement. There were several other examples of this type of corruption. Wallace asked the Congressional office tasked with oversight and was told it was perfectly legal as long as Hastert wasn’t the sole person to be positively affected. IOW, Hastert could make a million and it would be legal as long as at least one other person made at least one dollar.


8 posted on 05/31/2016 11:12:33 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: jeannineinsd

Well said.


9 posted on 05/31/2016 11:17:11 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("You know who gets hurt? The people who worked hard, lived frugally, and saved their money."- Trump)
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To: LS

For an additional $215K, you could have gotten Hillary. I’d say you got the best end of that deal.


10 posted on 05/31/2016 11:22:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Murray is a smart guy. He was dragged over the coals for writing the Bell Curve and accused of saying things in the book that he never said. His most recent book, Coming Apart, is on my must read list but I haven’t read it as yet.

I’m very surprised he doesn’t like Trump, in fact, he dislikes him enough to write such an article. I can’t figure out where that dislike is coming from. It must be something in the water up in Massachusetts.


11 posted on 05/31/2016 11:42:51 AM PDT by ladyjane
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I think disliking Trump fits exactly into his mindset. To Murray, Trump doesn’t have a high IQ - and a high IQ, to Murray, is the sole reason to be allowed to live. Not my favorite egghead.


12 posted on 05/31/2016 11:48:52 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: Night Hides Not

It was an ok event. Well attended. But again, when you bring in a speaker, it is common courtesy to research who you are speaking to, what the purposes of the program under which you are brought in to speak are, to at least TRY to connect with your audience in a somewhat personal way.

All in all, I thought he did not take the speech seriously, and somewhat disrespected the students and the event. If I did it again, I’d find someone else to spend our money on.


13 posted on 05/31/2016 11:54:31 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Talisker
VDH's last 10 columns:

Trump is a raging buffoon, but ClintonObama is wretched blahblahblah.....Trump is a
crude moron, but ClintonObama is despicable blahblahblah...Trump is a shallow
bumpkin, but ClintonObama is corrupt blahblahblah...


I have long been a fan of VDH, but he is guilty of what he claims the elites suffer from.
14 posted on 05/31/2016 12:02:48 PM PDT by jobim
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To: DugwayDuke
Harry Reid did the same thing: he and his partner bought some land that was worthless because the BLM wouldn't allow high tension lines to be run to bring in power.

He then appended language to a statute forcing the BLM to allow the lines.

Shazaam! I'm a millionaire!

There was also a West Virginia dem whose family bought up resort property near the Alleghany National Forest and then funded and forced the Interior Department to buy all the adjoining land.

Shazaam! I'm a millionare!

Term limits. We badly need term limits.

15 posted on 05/31/2016 12:22:51 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: LS
You make some great points. I have little or no patience with speakers that don't adequately prepare for their engagements, paid or unpaid.

Long ago, I worked at a weapons training directorate at Fort Bliss, back then it was called the Air Defense Board. My last Battalion Cdr in Germany was put in charge there, and I went back to work for him after completing the Captains course.

One of my jobs was to prepare and keep current the information briefing given to visiting VIPs. The old man told me, "up to 3 star general, you're giving it. I'll take 4 star and up (to include civilian equivalent), but you'll be there to answer questions." It was usually 40-50 minutes, with time for questions.

Later, I was also given the task of assembling and presenting the monthly briefing, paring it from a 3 hour marathon down to less than an hour.

So yes, I'm a bit more demanding than most, primarily because of my experiences.

16 posted on 05/31/2016 12:28:32 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: LS
Nice comment.

VDH's dismissive comments about IQ & class, suggest that he may have an inflated view of those in Academia, with whom he identifies. In point of functional intelligence, I really think that Trump's blue collar supporters demonstrate a clearer intellect than the establishment pseudo-intellectuals to whom VDH apparently refers--even while chiding the breed.

I have been trying to find an article where I discuss the "dysron," a person with normal or even above average intelligence, whose fears & compulsions reduce him functionally to the level of a moron; but I cannot find the piece. But I really think that many of those who disparage Trump tend to perform at that level.

On the other hand, watching our candidate slice through the pontifications & gobbling of those self-adulating political experts, has truly been a delight--the triumph of actual intelligence over that of the poseur.

17 posted on 05/31/2016 12:33:26 PM PDT by Ohioan
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Mr. Trumps’ I.Q. is 157 heh heh


18 posted on 05/31/2016 1:40:00 PM PDT by hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998
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To: hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998

How do we know that? He’s from my area of the country - including the same county, much less the state and it is taken at a very young age - which is why I don’t buy into these tests. I was 129 according to my mother but who knows??? I loathe these tests.


19 posted on 05/31/2016 2:20:00 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: Ohioan

I am definitely not a genius. I really don’t think I’m all that smart, but I have a rather remarkable ability to write and write fast. Once, although I had the research in front of me, I wrote a 30-page book chapter in one evening.

On the other hand, I have known two true geniuses. One wrote so esoterically I had to translate what he said into understandable English.

Hanson is smart, and at times a very good writer. But he is exceedingly repetitious and is no genius. He hit on one “big idea” and has made his career on that-—hey, most people never have one! When I think of geniuses, I think of people who never stop having great ideas.


20 posted on 05/31/2016 6:07:27 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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