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To: Mariner
>> “What I am concerned about is Liberty and the distinct [classical] American values/culture: the one which was highly distrustful of authority (from today’s perspective), which put in place the Constitution designed to actually restrain government.” > > Are you not aware that is a uniquely white political construct?

I know it’s unique; and that it was originated by white men.

> It originate in, and is sustained by white people. And, to be fully honest, one which has been adopted by many non-whites.

I don’t believe that it necessarily requires whites to be sustained; far more impotent is the Christian ethos.

> Still, eliminate white people and it’s one which will cease to exist.

The non-whites you mention adopting it could sustain it w/o whites, supposing the anti-American invaders are out of the picture. The biggest threat is not “non-whites”, it’s an alien invasion aided and abetted by our own government for the sake of replacing a people holding to liberty and individual rights with a population accepting/expectant of massive government corruption and a certain learned helplessness.

78 posted on 06/04/2016 12:05:58 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Edward.Fish
Inherent in understanding "Liberty," is understanding human priorities. American history demonstrates very clearly that even in the traditional Anglo/Celtic American societies, there was a wide variation on what the libertarian priorities of different settler communities involved.

Most of the later immigrants--from whose ranks this Ohioan has sprung--prior to the closing of the frontier, shortly before World War I, had a large proportion who identified with some of the values of the original settlers. Since the closing of the frontier, that proportion has dropped considerably. Ignoring the variations, and particularly the racial aspects in some of those variations, is simply to ignore reality, at your peril.

Jefferson acknowledged to Congress that he bought Louisiana as a buffer between the Hispanic & Anglo worlds. Looking at events in Southern California the other day hardly refutes the wisdom of the author of our Declaration Of Independence. It is not disrespectful to anyone to understand that we are all different--some more so than others.

Until you recognize that even adhering to your particular priorities will lead to quite different behavioral expressions, depending upon the personalities of the actors, you will fail to understand the importance of carefully vetting whom you allow to join our established & already over-crowded communities.

81 posted on 06/04/2016 12:21:18 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Edward.Fish
The biggest threat is not “non-whites”, it’s an alien invasion aided and abetted by our own government for the sake of replacing a people holding to liberty and individual rights with a population accepting/expectant of massive government corruption and a certain learned helplessness.

But the overwhelming majority of that "alien invasion"is non-whites from Third World nations and also with a large non-Christian element.

There is a strong correlation between the races and ethnic groups of the world and the forms of government and economic systems they have developed and accepted over the centuries. Denying that gets you nowhere.

90 posted on 06/04/2016 1:16:12 PM PDT by Will88
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