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Muhammad Ali: Never the White Man’s Negro
New York Times ^ | June 6, 2016 | Joyce Carol Oates

Posted on 06/06/2016 10:11:31 AM PDT by No One Special

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To: No One Special; All

I remember as a young boy, maybe 7 or 8 hearing that Ali was able to skip the draft, listening to my two uncles that both had each completed 1 tour in Korea and 2 full tours in Viet Nam and just how outraged they were, I remember thinking if you are an American, why wouldn’t you want to fight for your country, unless you were a coward...I say that after faithfully committing my life to the Country, the Navy, and my fellow service members for 20 years. I’ve never held him in all that high regard.

If there were more men like him and less men like my uncles I wonder just how along everyone could count on being free?


41 posted on 06/06/2016 10:35:16 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Vigilanteman

***Joe Frazier still bested him.***

Yet Frasier still lost. He landed ONE BLOW so hard on Ali that it left him permanently brain damaged and punch drunk.


42 posted on 06/06/2016 10:35:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: No One Special

Joe Frazier was no White Man’s Negro either, in fact he supported Clay both publicly and financially while Clay was banned from boxing, and what thanks did Clay give this son of a sharecropper? Called him an uncle tom.

Clay may have been a talented athlete, but he was an a class arse. No hero in my book.


43 posted on 06/06/2016 10:36:33 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Say what they will about Ali, he made this one UK liberal talk show host lose his frickin' mind in '71 when Ali basically came out for segregation and against bi-racial marriages and mixing of the races, THIS is a keeper!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4
44 posted on 06/06/2016 10:37:03 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: No One Special

Howard Cosell owned Ali lock stock and barrel.


45 posted on 06/06/2016 10:40:17 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
What fight are you talking about? Frasier and Ali fought three times, Frazier won the first, Ali the 2nd and 3rd. The third was considered a particularly brutal fight and ended when Frazier's corner threw in the towel.

I don't recall Frasier being punch-drunk after that fight, or later in life. , I saw interviews with him after retirement and he seemed coherent.

As for Ali, his Parkinson's disease was no doubt caused by boxing. Sad, but a risk he took.

46 posted on 06/06/2016 10:45:12 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: No One Special

He was a good fighter, but I always thought that he was exceedingly arrogant, and didn’t like him because of it. I could care less about his skin color.


47 posted on 06/06/2016 10:46:34 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals and Islamists are the new Nazis and Stalinists of the 21st century)
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To: No One Special

So far as I know, no white man ever tried to enslave him.


48 posted on 06/06/2016 10:49:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: No One Special
So has the NY Times Style Guide been revised? Will they have headlines calling Obama the "first Negro president"? It's odd because other than in a historic context the word is not used, and is considered a slur. I find it extremely odd that they have used it in a title, especially about Ali's death.

Even disrespectful.

49 posted on 06/06/2016 10:51:35 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: Jack Black

Ultimately, Ali took the sport of boxing down with him. I think it’s the main reason the popularity of boxing took a nose-dive, was that people saw what it did to Ali, and whether or not it was boxing’s fault, that is the perception.

Ali was the most famous athlete in the world at one point, and his primary competitors, like Frazier and Foreman were also household names.

Now, most people couldn’t even name one current professional boxer.


50 posted on 06/06/2016 10:53:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Vigilanteman

I will take the soft-spoken Joe Louis and the affable George Foreman (own his grill) over the loudmouth Cassius Clay any day of the week.


51 posted on 06/06/2016 10:53:11 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: Jack Black

***I don’t recall Frasier being punch-drunk after that fight***

That’s not what I said. Frasier landed the punch so hard on ALI that from that moment on ALI was punch drunk.


52 posted on 06/06/2016 10:57:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: No One Special

Joyce Carol Oates - nuff said.

Gave it some thought today. Ali/Clay was *in my opinion* a great human being. If you met him one on one as so many did - he was a warm and giving person.

Unfortunately (and even his dad said this while alive) his fatal flaw was that he allowed himself to be managed by others - most often the so-called Nation of Islam but also by various other people and entities.

I think this is the basic disconnect and why people are now sort of struggling to come to terms with his historical time here on earth.

If I was writing his biography I would work hard to separate these two aspects of his character and to give each its due.


53 posted on 06/06/2016 10:58:02 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: No One Special

So, was Tiger Woods the “white man’s negro” or was he the negro’s negro? The writer displays her stupidity by writing a piece that a fourth grader could. Nothing of substance, no new news and using the “N” word a few times. She takes it upon herself to speak for the way white men “felt” 50 years ago.

The “times” hungers for crap like this to fill the empty pages.

Bat, (the white man’s white man.)


54 posted on 06/06/2016 10:59:30 AM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: sparklite2

It went on for weeks until even those of us in the military were sick of it.

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I was stationed at Boling A.F.B. Washington D.C., Air Force Honor Guard, when he was assassinated, was part of his funeral. Yes, indeed we got sick of it.


55 posted on 06/06/2016 10:59:37 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Crooked Hillary's going down and I aint talkin about, on Huma.)
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To: No One Special

Psst, Joyce, uh, he voted for Reagan.


56 posted on 06/06/2016 11:00:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elcid1970
LOVE my Foreman grill. All three of my kids wanted one when they went off to college. So simple and yet so genius. It only leaves our table when we have company now. We've actually used both the bun warmer on top and the grease collection pan to make soap. I kid you not.

We found another cool use for the grease: We live on a corner lot, so lazy passer-bys would let their dogs crap on our lawn. We poured the grease on the pile and next day it would be gone. It must be kind of gross to see your dog eat dog poop, because it doesn't happen nearly so often now.

57 posted on 06/06/2016 11:03:21 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: BatGuano

Tiger Woods is not all that motivated by racial identification. He’s said that he’s Cablanasian. He’s never identified as anything but what he is, which is Caucasian, Black and Asian.


58 posted on 06/06/2016 11:06:56 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Just picked a star black athlete there RC. Woods may have not identified but the media did or, have I missed something?


59 posted on 06/06/2016 11:15:25 AM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Snickering Hound

I thought Negro was fine, and not an “N” word.


60 posted on 06/06/2016 11:15:40 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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