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Michigan Teen Challenging Warrantless Breathalyzer Law
NBC News ^ | 08 June 2016 | Corky Siemaszko

Posted on 06/08/2016 1:29:44 PM PDT by Theoria

A Michigan teen who was ticketed — as a passenger — for balking at taking a Breathalyzer test says that she refused because the detective did not have a warrant.

Now 17-year-old Casey Guthrie has filed a federal lawsuit against the cop who slapped her with the $100 citation last month.

The honor student is also challenging the constitutionality of a Michigan law that makes it a civil infraction for anybody under age 21 to refuse a police officer's request to blow into the device — and does not require the cop to produce a warrant.

"No adequate remedy exists at law to redress this unconstitutional policy, practice, and/or custom," the lawsuit states.

The law violates Guthrie's Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches, her Detroit lawyer told NBC News.

"Her rights were violated when she was forced to submit to Breathalyzer to prove her innocence," attorney Mike Rataj said. "That is not how the criminal justice system works. This is a girl who has never been in trouble before and has no criminal history."

"Also, she was not the driver," Rataj noted. "She was a passenger in a car with a bunch of other high school seniors."

Rataj added that Guthrie's father is a retired ATF officer who had warned her earlier never to submit to a Breathalyzer without a warrant . He said Guthrie's dad arrived at the scene after Detective Kenneth Pelland of the Gross Isle Township police pulled the car over last month.

"She called her father," Rataj said. "This particular officer is notorious for intimidating kids... The officer lied and said he smelled alcohol on her."

There was no immediate response to Rataj's charge or the lawsuit from Township Supervisor Brian Loftus or from Pelland.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 5thamendment; breathalyzer; caseyguthrie; dui; dwi; fifthamendment; michigan; warrant
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1 posted on 06/08/2016 1:29:44 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

Interesting.

For decades states have gotten away with this using the doctrine of implied consent. If you apply for a drivers license it is “implied” that you are also consenting to a breath test.

Since this kid was a passenger his consent cannot be “implied” from anything. This looks like one of those cases that could tie our entire court system in knots for the next 13 years.


2 posted on 06/08/2016 1:32:55 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Good analysis. I think this legal challenge is overdue.


3 posted on 06/08/2016 1:34:01 PM PDT by NRx
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To: Theoria

Largely a result of the idiocy of treating 18-20 year olds as though they were minors regarding alcohol, but adults regarding everything else.


4 posted on 06/08/2016 1:36:40 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Theoria

Good on this kid for refusing a breathlyzer test while being driven as a passenger in someone else's car. Thuggish statists come in all shapes, colors, and sizes.

5 posted on 06/08/2016 1:37:07 PM PDT by Blue Jays
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To: Theoria

The girl may have a point. This will give her a guaranteed A+ Term Paper, especially if she doesn’t have to pay that ticket. She’ll be a High School Hero! Just don’t lord it over every cop you encounter.


6 posted on 06/08/2016 1:42:41 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Since this kid was a passenger his consent cannot be “implied” from anything.

How did you change "her" into "him"?

7 posted on 06/08/2016 1:43:12 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Theoria

In NY you tell the cop NO. And you get a fine and you get your insurance bumped. But it is NOT a DWI conviction. Lawyers here tell you NOT to submit to tests.


8 posted on 06/08/2016 1:43:26 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Theoria

Probable cause? Was she visibly intoxicated or smelling of alcohol? Then no warrant is required IIRC. Your mileage may vary.


9 posted on 06/08/2016 1:43:41 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Theoria

The police are always right

or something.


10 posted on 06/08/2016 1:43:43 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (This posting is a microaggression.)
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To: Blue Jays
The "I smell alcohol" farce is a canard. Smell, from the side of the road, cannot be measured or recorded for later use. It is the cop's opinion, which has no value legally, and is used to terrorize citizens.

The solution is to refuse to roll down your window - just crack it. When the cop asks to roll it down, say no.

The cop will be innocuous and say "It's just so I can hear you better", to which you reply "I can hear YOU just fine".

Cops are trained to look for openings. Don't give them one.

11 posted on 06/08/2016 1:43:54 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: NRx

Not that I have any confidence in the outcome.

Most likely John Roberts will find that by entering the vehicle he gave his consent. Which is a tax.


12 posted on 06/08/2016 1:44:24 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: humblegunner
How did you change "her" into "him"?

Haven't you been paying attention? There's a lot of that going on these days.

Actually it was just sloppy editing on my part.


13 posted on 06/08/2016 1:45:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Normally I’d lol at that. But there is too much truth to your comment.


14 posted on 06/08/2016 1:46:17 PM PDT by NRx
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To: pierrem15

Yes very true this foolish has cause no amount of trouble for 18 to 20 year old.


15 posted on 06/08/2016 1:47:23 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Theoria
"This particular officer is notorious for intimidating kids

There are more than a few of these cops who think they can run rough shod over kids. A friend's son was a passenger in a car that was pulled over for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. The cop gave them both tickets. The 16 year old passenger didn't have his drivers license on him so he showed his military ID from his dad. The cop said he asked for his drivers license, the kid didn't have it so blam! a ticket for improper ID. What the heck, the kid wasn't driving. The dad had to take off work to challenge it.

16 posted on 06/08/2016 1:47:59 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: humblegunner

“How did you change “her” into “him”?

It’s how she “felt” that day!


17 posted on 06/08/2016 1:48:49 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Theoria
That is not how the criminal justice system works

correction; it does now. She's lucky this POS cop didn't do a body cavity check on her for drugs. Or should I say, the cop is lucky, in this case.

18 posted on 06/08/2016 1:49:37 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Theoria

I had a personal meeting with Grosse Ile supervisor Brian Loftus in 2009 about this very subject. US District Judge Lawton (Eastern Michigan) had already ruled these actions unconstitutional. I advised him bad law enforced by zealots was a bad mix and eventually he would be sued. I could go on at great length however I don’t wish to boor. This is what Jen Granholm and the Democrats thought was a good idea back in 2004.


19 posted on 06/08/2016 1:51:16 PM PDT by Rhino54
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To: humblegunner

“How did you change “her” into “him”?”

Genders are a bend’en these days.


20 posted on 06/08/2016 1:53:29 PM PDT by lacrew
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