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Banks may have a subprime auto loan problem
CNBC ^ | 22 June 2016 | Tae Kim

Posted on 06/24/2016 12:51:34 PM PDT by Lorianne

Negative subprime auto data from CarMax's earnings is bad news for regional banks, according to investment firm Piper Jaffray.

"CarMax is the largest used car dealer in the country, we believe these developments indicate we will continue to see more pressure on used car prices in the coming months," Piper Jaffray's Kevin Barker wrote in a note to clients Tuesday.

He added, "The decline in sales from lower tier borrowers (near-prime to subprime) are a clear signal the market recognizes subprime lending may have been overextended. These developments continue to confirm our thesis that lower used car prices and lower auto sales will pressure earnings/revenue for banks most exposed to the auto sector, in particular" Huntington Bancshares, Wells Fargo and BB&T.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: autoloandebt; autoloans; subprimedebt
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1 posted on 06/24/2016 12:51:34 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

But it’s a golden age for the repo business!


2 posted on 06/24/2016 12:58:27 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lorianne

I guess I don’t understand certain things.

One of those is, why are loans being given to subprime borrowers in the first place?

Related to that, I understand those with bruised credit will pay higher interest rates. But are the interest rates charged not enough to compensate for giving loans to a group of people who have proven to be poor credit risks??

And I thought that lenders pool their loans together, so that this line of business will still be profitable, even if they have a handful of bad loans they need to write off.

Based on what I’ve said above, maybe I’m just not understanding how these loans work, or some finer points escape me.


3 posted on 06/24/2016 1:07:45 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You have to remember that Obama burned all the used cars in his first term


4 posted on 06/24/2016 1:09:45 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You have to remember that Obama burned all the used cars in his first term


5 posted on 06/24/2016 1:10:54 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Think of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. That is why people get loans for cars they cannot afford, and will drive until it is repossessed.

Banks and other lending institutions cannot practice fiscal judiciousness or they will be accused of being racist and become subject to investigations. Unless the person requesting the loan is not a minority/woman. They can probably be as rigid as they wish, there. Who will call them on it?


6 posted on 06/24/2016 1:12:28 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: rlmorel

So then, credit standards are enforced against white men?

But anyone who can claim membership in an officially recognized grievance group will not have to meet any standards??

Unbelievable.


7 posted on 06/24/2016 1:13:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Don't know for sure, but I am guessing big government is cracking down on banks to make auto loans to certain favored ethnic groups just as they did with home loans.

It is a pretty easy business on the surface. Cars are fairly easy to repossess and resell. The borrowers are required to carry full coverage. Often, a substantial down payment or trade in is required as well.

It is really a national business because the assets are highly movable except in markets such as Alaska or Hawaii where it could get expensive. One would think the risk was fairly minimal and easily manageable. But then, there is that big government factor throwing crap on the scale in an unpredictable fashion.

8 posted on 06/24/2016 1:18:56 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"The decline in sales from lower tier borrowers (near-prime to subprime) are a clear signal the market recognizes subprime lending may have been overextended

This is a non story. What it says is lenders recognize they may be a little heavy in sub-prime loans so they are cutting back. They'll limit sub prime loans for a few months until they are back in balance. It will hurt auto sales in the short term but it's really no big deal. This is simply how markets work. It's not anywhere near the problem that sub prime mortgages were.
9 posted on 06/24/2016 1:19:17 PM PDT by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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To: rlmorel

NO!

I see folks go there all too often.

Did the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 cause these problems? THINK!

If it did, we would have had massive fall-outs as early as the early 80s. People would not have been able to make their mortgages then. Instead we went through the 80s, 90s, and until 2008 before there was massive mortgage fall-out.

You may be able to point back that far for the roots, but it was actions taken twenty or more years later that brought on the sub-prime debacle.

It was during the Clinton years when the Leftists hobbled the loaning institutions, and it was during the Bush years when knowing what was going to result, that we did absolutely nothing to prevent it.

Clinton/Bush own this! Please don’t blame it on Carter and Reagan. If they were to blame, this wouldn’t have taken until 2008 to come to fruition.

And by blaming it on others, you let the real major culprits skate.


10 posted on 06/24/2016 1:19:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Yep. As one of my black coworkers put it “You sure see a lot more black guys driving white Cadillacs than you do white guys driving black Cadillacs.”
11 posted on 06/24/2016 1:21:32 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I am a debtor creditor attorney, and I have clients in a lot of loans I would never make or take. The rates are high and often the car is worth far less than the loan balance. But most of these people are very motivated to make their car payments because they need transportation. In my particular town, there’s really no alternative way to get around. Distances are too far to walk and there’s not much by way public transportation. Some borrowers still default, but their car loan is one of the last things they stop paying.

I do wish my clients wouldn’t get themselves into the loans where the balance on their prior car is rolled into the loan on the current car. These are almost always a bad deal.


12 posted on 06/24/2016 1:32:34 PM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But anyone who can claim membership in an officially recognized grievance group will not have to meet any standards??

That's the same reason why black guys can shoot as many black kids as they want in a weekend, but a white guy shoots one, they go berserk. Different standards for different groups again.

13 posted on 06/24/2016 1:36:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Don't call them Daesh OR ISIS or ISIL, they are always "ISLAMIC State.")
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To: Lorianne

good. I need a cheap used car

Tell me when the crash hits, so I can get into the mkt.


14 posted on 06/24/2016 1:42:16 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Huntress

Take a look at a Car Hop loan.. I am an honest used car guy (ya.. I know.. there are a few of us out there)..

Cars I’d put on the lot for 2995 are sold for 7995 and the buyers are put in to 72 month loans at 23.5%..

They come in trying to trade a car/truck that was poorly repaired, falling apart and they owe 100Xs what it’s worth and they have only had it 4 months or so.


15 posted on 06/24/2016 1:46:14 PM PDT by cableguymn (We need a redneck in the white house....)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
But it’s a golden age for the repo business!

Maybe some nice deals on the used car market. Of course, sub-prime owners can produce sub-prime used cars, too. "They goan repo it, so less take it out an tay it up!"

16 posted on 06/24/2016 1:51:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Don't call them Daesh OR ISIS or ISIL, they are always "ISLAMIC State.")
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To: DoughtyOne

I disagree. The CRA is the foundation of it all. It laid the groundwork for the regulatory process, the coercion that would make it all possible.

This was so enormous that it is no surprise to me that it would take decades to have its full effect.

Carter, that SOB and his ilk got it enacted. Reagan and the Republicans did nothing to reverse the corrosion, Bush and Clinton put it on steroids, and GWB paid it plenty of lip service through his eight years, even knowing the damage it was causing. His administration did try to raise the alarm back in 2002-2004, but Barney Frank and his comrades were assuring everyone it was all fine. There is video of it.

There is plenty of blame to go around, and Bush and Clinton should get their fair share, but few in government were blameless, and many should be prosecuted.

See, I look at it a little differently than you...I think not assigning blame to people who laid the foundation and put it all in motion lets those people skate.


17 posted on 06/24/2016 2:06:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: rlmorel

Thank you for the response.

The results speak for themselves.

Neither you or I can change it.

There were no blow-outs from 1977 until 2008.


18 posted on 06/24/2016 2:07:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: rlmorel
"Think of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. That is why people get loans for cars they cannot afford, and will drive until it is repossessed.

Banks and other lending institutions cannot practice fiscal judiciousness or they will be accused of being racist and become subject to investigations."

Agreed.

It was that law that laid the foundation upon which the house of cards was eventually built, over time.

19 posted on 06/24/2016 2:41:21 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Huntress

I have always paid cash for any car/truck I have owned...I am an avid follower of the simple equation that “the cheapest way to get from point A to point B and back again to point A” I drive a 1971 International Harvester 1210 pick (paid cash) went through it and have found it to be one of the best made and simple to fix. Between insurance and registration (stickers for the plate) it breaksdown to less than 50 dollars a month to drive a 3/4 ton American made (entirely) truck . I just hauled home a slide in camper that weighs over 1 ton. So please tell me why these people go so far in debt as opposed to seeking out practical / repairable transportation? I should point out that there are no computers on my truck...all vacuum and hydraulic.....I feel sorry for any plastic / 1/32 inch sheet metal tuna can that hits this great rig...


20 posted on 06/24/2016 3:17:10 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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