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A Born-Again Donald Trump? Believe It, Evangelical Leader Says
The New York Times ^ | 6/25/16 | TRIP GABRIEL and MICHAEL LUO

Posted on 06/25/2016 7:32:38 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

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To: Southnsoul

Sorry, I can be more clear.

My post was: As it is today, Trump is just not a good fit with “born-again, evangelical Christian.”

You replied: “I don’t know what you mean by “fit.” I think a sinner and the Savior make a perfect fit.”

We are all sinners. Do you think we all, every human being, therefore, fit with “born-again, evangelical Christian?”


101 posted on 06/26/2016 11:05:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Southnsoul; D-fendr

Count me as one who has also been praying for Mr. Trump’s salvation since i heard him answer “no,” he’d never asked God for forgiveness before. Now, i wasn’t going to write this because it sounds so hokey, even after reading your reply. Then the very next reply was that photo of Trump with the other guy (Falwell?), the guy from Trinity, and I just have to say this.

Like most people, i dream sometimes but i usually don’t remember what they’re about unless i happen to wake up during the dream. In the past few months I’ve had a few dreams with Mr Trump in them, but I’ve never been able to remember any details. Mr. Trump’s personality in these dreams was different than what I’ve seen on TV all these months; it’s something I don’t understand and can’t explain, other than he was much kinder and gentler than what I’ve seen before.

But get this: There is always a spiritual theme to the dreams, and there is a man with him who is a spiritual person, but this man’s exact identity is always clouded because he’s always fuzzy w/o a distinctive face or anything. For some reason, I had a sense that it was the Trinity Univ. guy, and I’ve even thought about sending him a letter telling him about this dream and that I thought it meant God was going to use him or someone else to lead Mr. Trump to Christ so please pray for guidance.

I’ve never sent this letter because I always talked myself out of it, rationalizing that I wasn’t even 100% sure who the spiritual-minded man in my dream WAS, and besides, I don’t tend to believe in this kind of stuff.

When I saw the photo, just now, i had one of those déjà vu experiences and that’s the only reason i’m writing this. That’s him. The man in that photo IS the one who’s been in the dreams. I don’t know why and I’ll probably never know why, but please double up your prayers. And don’t be looking for me to ever make a reply like this again because it ‘just ain’t me.’


102 posted on 06/26/2016 11:27:14 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We can't fix a rigged system with the people who rigged it." (Donald J. Trump - June 7, 2016)
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To: D-fendr
That’s someone else. What do you think a Christian acts like?

Jesus Christ.

But that's not what the rest of the world thinks of Christians.

I remember my non-Christian days well enough and I know what I used to think of Christians.

The stereotype is not complimentary.

103 posted on 06/27/2016 5:08:57 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: D-fendr; Southnsoul

Trump may not be a good *fit* with the stereotypical Evangelical born-again Christian but you know what?

That’s not going to make much difference with true believers and probably most of the people in general.

If by “born-again, evangelical Christian” you mean churchianty or what is presented on TV as the artificial little bubble world that so many *Christians* are portrayed as living in, no, he would not be a good fit.

But what does that matter?


104 posted on 06/27/2016 5:12:44 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you even know what is required to be a Christian?

 

 
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


 
1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


 
James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
 

105 posted on 06/27/2016 5:28:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: D-fendr
“Meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them two other words, ‘God can.’”

Rome is not convinced.

106 posted on 06/27/2016 5:29:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: D-fendr
As it is today, Trump is just not a good fit with “born-again, evangelical Christian.”

He 'fits' with THIS one!

107 posted on 06/27/2016 5:31:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: georgiegirl
I am cautious too, been around too many “thus sayeth the Lords”.

Then try this: number 6




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

108 posted on 06/27/2016 5:33:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

AMEN!


109 posted on 06/27/2016 5:34:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: longhorn too
Elsie, I am hoping your’s is there too!

I 'doing' all I can to make sure:

I BELIEVE!


110 posted on 06/27/2016 5:35:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Albion Wilde
>>James Dobson is not a pastor.

More of an icon than a pastor.

It's notable how folks in the local religious community will say "well, we checked it out with Focus on the Family" - as if that somehow legitimizes their opinions and modes of thinking.

People should be thinking for themselves - not parroting Dobson or any other mosquitoe who has their proboscis firmly implanted in the temple steps.

>>in favor of Crazy McQueeg in the last presidential election.

Uhuh.

 

 

Your search - "Virginia act" "religious freedom" "thomas jefferson" site:www.focusonthefamily.com- did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

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http://www.google.com/search?q="Virginia+act"+"religious freedom"+"thomas+jefferson"+site%3Awww.focusonthefamily.com


111 posted on 06/27/2016 5:48:56 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Was the perverted creator of your chosen on-screen persona/avatar elect?

http://www.google.com/search?q=H.r.+giger+occultist


Eat This!

You're kinda like the parasitic Zenomorph chest-burster embedded in the Trump campaign.

Not very healthy for your host organism.

112 posted on 06/27/2016 6:03:29 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: goldstategop

>>In his interview, Dr. Dobson conceded that Mr. Trump did not exactly fit the typical mold of an evangelical.

 

Typical like...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Faye_Messner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Hinn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Schuller

That kind of Etc, Typical, Etc  Typical?

Gaaaaawd wants you to drive a Mercedes (and buy a brick in the Tower of Babel).... Doesn't He?

Mark 4:3-9

3 "Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times."

9 Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

NIV


We'll see.

113 posted on 06/27/2016 6:25:58 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: metmom

This makes our religious leaders look like complete fools. Seriously. Trump has no idea that a playboy hanging on his wall of achievements lacks class.
I am guessing that the folks getting their picture taken do. It realize it is behind them.


114 posted on 06/27/2016 7:56:23 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Nita Nupress

Love your post!
I don’t think you’re alone in dreaming dreams with meaning.

That is indeed Dr. Jerry Falwell Jr......President of Liberty University


115 posted on 06/27/2016 8:39:13 AM PDT by Guenevere (If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)
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To: Nita Nupress

....who supported and endorsed Trump waaay back at the beginning....and has taken a lot of flac for doing so.
But this good man has not wavered!

Pray for them both!


116 posted on 06/27/2016 8:41:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)
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To: Elsie
The only true living "prophet" is Jesus the Messiah. I listen to Him, and He will never lead me astray. He speaks to me through the Bible, His infallable Word.

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed heir of all things, and through Whom also He made the universe. Heb 1:1-2
117 posted on 06/27/2016 8:42:06 AM PDT by georgiegirl
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To: Southnsoul

Very well said!!!!!!!


118 posted on 06/27/2016 8:43:53 AM PDT by Guenevere (If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)
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To: Guenevere

:-)


119 posted on 06/27/2016 11:05:57 AM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We can't fix a rigged system with the people who rigged it." (Donald J. Trump - June 7, 2016)
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To: Guenevere
Shout it!!!


If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do....)


120 posted on 06/27/2016 1:29:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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