A good guy with a gun isn’t the answer (barf alert)

Milwaukee J-S ^ | 26 june 2016 | Angela Stroud

[rellimpank]

It has happened again: another mass shooting. For those of us who have spent a lot of time in places like the Pulse night club, this mass murder is particularly painful.

In a culture in which queer people are made to feel grateful for merely being tolerated, gay clubs are spaces where we are celebrated — safe havens that represent the opposite of repression and violence. To have that shattered by someone pledging allegiance to ISIS is an incomprehensible contradiction. It doesn't make any sense.

[Let's Roll]

A good guy with a gun has been the answer since the beginning of time.

[Paulie]

In a culture in which queer people are made to feel grateful for merely being tolerated,
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Not to worry, soon the sharia will dominate the political landscape in this country and you won’t have to worry about this ‘culture’ anymore.

See how you like it then.

[schurmann]

” ... But we cannot fall into the trap of thinking that gun violence is inevitable and that the only response is to become armed. ... Public safety should not take a back seat to an individual’s right to bear arms. ... good guys should be willing to sacrifice a small measure of their freedom ...”

(From Assistant Professor Stroud’s final four paragraphs.)

After serving 29 years in the military, and working in the gun trade for fourteen years, and instructing women in the basics of firearms safety, I’m less in a hurry to claim special expertise than I used to be.

But I have heard hundreds of stories from dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officers, across the nation. So I will venture a couple observations:

1. Why should anyone take tactical advice from this academic? Especially an academic who teaches sociology and “social justice” (whatever that is).

2. Discovering why people like Omar Mateen do what they do will not help us counter them. Nor will it help us predict mass shootings that have not yet occurred.

3. Contrary to the author’s conclusions, a good guy/girl with a gun is the way to stop a bad guy with a gun. And at the end of the day, it’s the only way.

[hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998]

“Well-trained people who are licensed to carry guns in public might sometimes be able to fight back and stop a violent crime — it’s possible, though it rarely happens.” Then WHY, PRAY TELL, are there Police Officers? HAHAHAHA

[Sasparilla]

..There are Professors of “social justice” now?
We don’t know what that is, other than a big waste of university money....

Maybe they could even teach the Secret code writing of years gone by....cursive writing.
College students today most likely cannot read the original cursive text writing of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

[tumblindice]

How `bout a good dog with dynamite?

[B4Ranch]

What the pro gun control crowd seems to miss is that terrorists do not want to fight their way into a target. They want to walk in unobserved by everyone then start killing an unarmed group.

When the scene changes to where they could be killed prior to shooting the target, the select another unarmed target.

[Pontiac]

The shooter had the advantage of surprise, was armed with a semi-automatic rifle, and didn't care who his bullets hit — factors that gave him total control until a stronger show of force arrived.

I will give you that Mateen had the advantage of surprise, no one in a dance club in Orlando expects to have a Mujahedeen come in to the club and start shooting.

But the only reason he had total control is that he was the only one in the room with a gun. A stronger force is not necessary to win a battle. Strategic advantage can win the day. An individual shooting from cover could have ended the carnage in a minute rather than hours. .

Mateen went on his shooting spree alone. As he moved through the club his back was exposed. Anyone behind him could have taken a shot and put the mad dog down. No lone gunman in a large room full of people can have total control even if he is the only one armed unless those people are paralyzed with fear. An individual or a small group could have cut him down with broken beer bottles or hit him with a chair.

The stronger force that the professor wishes us to depend on, the police, were on hand when the shooter arrived as the professor notes. An extra duty officer was there when Mateen started his attack but failed to take him down. Two more officers were there in minutes but were ordered to withdraw when a lieutenant arrived.

The SWAT team (what I imagine the professor really thinks of when she says superior force) arrived about twenty minutes after that. The SWAT negotiator then settled down to negotiate with Mateen for nearly four hours while Mateen calmly taunted the SWAT team and systematically murdered his hostages.

We in the gun rights community often say “When seconds count the police are only minutes away.” Well in Orlando they were only four hours away even though they were only a few feet away.

Now the good professor says that “In the end, good guys should be willing to sacrifice a small measure of their freedom if it means fewer lives lost.” She wants the citizens of this country to depend on the police to protect our lives.

With the example above to inform us on how that can come out I don’t think so.

[elcid1970]

Everyone remembers the moment in the film “Spartacus” when captured rebels all start shouting “I’m Spartacus!” to conceal their leader.

But there was another Spartacus moment in that film, when the slave rebellion first broke out and the rebels realized they could both defy the power of Rome and survive afterward.

The Brexit vote has IMO unleashed a Spartacus moment all across Europe and ALREADY lib columnists here are denying that the spirit of popular rebellion implicit in the British vote could ever cross the pond and influence American politics. But it will, and it will affect the campaign to ban guns (which without national gun registration hasn’t a prayer, BTW).

[rellimpank]

-exactly--It will sound like hindsight or second guessing to some but I have wondered from the beginning how, in THREE hours ,while he was on the phone talking and texting, reloading and supposedly even laid the rifle down (reported soon after the event),some few people didn't have an opportunity to throw something, charge him or whatever-

-reminds me of the incident in Canada some years ago where a muslim woman-hater sent numerous "men" past himself , out of the room then killed most of the remaining women---

[5th MEB]

“now it is bring the cameras into the bedroom “.
And force everybody to watch under force of law.

[Travis McGee]

It would have been better to do what the Russians did at the opera house taken over by jihadists: pump in sleeping gas.

Their mistake was not having enough antidote and medical teams on standby to revive them.

But the concept bears study, with plenty of reversal agent and paramedic ready to inject everybody, apply O2, etc.