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What if Obama Is Wrong About Islam
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2017 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 07/17/2016 6:26:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

A central tenet of President Obama’s argument regarding our national security is that we should not chastise all Muslims. He repeats often that Islam is a religion of peace. What we need to examine is whether that is just something he states over and over again -- hoping Americans will accept it as fact -- or whether that is actually true.

First, before anyone jumps off the high board let’s determine the parameters. Almost everyone reading this column and/or across the world wants to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. Except, of course, for some wing-nuts: some people who you can never convince of a thing or maybe some Muslims who believe they are directed to violence by their religion or their religious leader.

Next, President Obama has compared Christianity to Islam and gone back to the Crusades or other historical actions for the purpose of drawing comparisons. Others have criticized Islam for the militant actions going back to the 8th century. This is not about that. Likewise, we will not discuss any parts of the Koran to establish a position.

We will only examine the period after World War II. History will tell you that there was some coordination of the Islamic leaders in the Middle East with Hitler and Germany, but the world was at war and most everyone except for the Swiss chose sides.

Two significant actions happened subsequent to 1945:

1. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan (did not take that full name until 1956) was formed by British partition on August 14, 1947. Since that time, Pakistan has had four conventional wars with India. It is constantly on alert with minor skirmishes with India. It has been a questionable friend of the U.S., and its Western provinces are worldwide hot beds of terrorism.

2. In 1948, Ben–Gurion declared the existence of the State of Israel in an area Jews had been living for over 3,000 years. Since that time there have been four major wars, multiple Intifadas, constant military excursions and thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens by Islamic countries and Muslims. Only two Muslim countries have a peace treaty with Israel. The leader of one of those countries, after that peace treaty was agreed to, was assassinated.

And then there is the following:

3. Afghanistan has been in turmoil for over 40 years. Officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was plunged into war after a Communist takeover in 1978. The U.S. backed the anti-Communists to no avail. That led to the Taliban beginning their control of the country in 1994. Other than their totalitarian actions toward the people of Afghanistan, particularly the women, they became a center and training base for worldwide terrorist organizations when the terrorists were not crossing over into neighboring Pakistan. Fifteen years after the U.S. took over the country post 9/11, it remains in turmoil and the murderous Islamic Taliban still roams the countryside.

4. Iran and Iraq are a special case. When they are not wreaking havoc across the globe, they stopped to have a war where they killed an estimated 1.5 million people. One cannot say they were killing Jews or Christians this time because they were killing each other as one side was Sunni and the other Shia Muslims. Someday the rest of us will understand why the difference is worth mass murder. When they were not fighting each other, they were killing or torturing their citizens and restricting their rights.

5. After finishing the murderous Iran-Iraq war, Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait where an estimated 4,200 Kuwaitis were killed and their oil fields seriously damaged. The U.S. led a force to take back the country in which there were over 20,000 Iraqi deaths and casualties on the side of the allies.

6. Islamic Syria is a special place where they have a dynasty of butchers, but butchers who use poisonous gas. The anointed son of a mass murderer, in an attempt to hold on to power, has murdered an estimated 250,000 of his own countrymen and ran another few million out of the country. The entire country is a disaster zone.

7. Egypt has a more limited violent history. Nasser led his country in three losing wars against Israel. His successor Sadat led one war before making a peace deal for which he was murdered. His successor, Mubarak, murdered thousands to stay in power. But he was a prince compared to the Muslim Brotherhood who succeeded him and installed a totalitarian government. Sisi then overthrew this group in a coup d’état. Finally, an Egyptian leader acknowledges there is a problem in Islam and calls for a reformation. The call for reformation would cause him to be called a moderate by most, but Obama has dissed him at every turn.

8. Libya features the history of Muammar Gaddafi who took over in a military coup d’état. Murder, recriminations, weapons of mass destruction, the death of Gaddafi and then a failed state where Americans were murdered. The country is currently a mess with ISIS terrorists roaming freely.

9. Of the estimated 60 terrorist groups on the U.S. State Department watch list, about five are not Islamic. A couple notable exceptions are the FARC in Colombia and the IRA in Ireland. The terrorists murdering people all over the world are led by those groups in the Terrorist Hall of Fame like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban and now the hot new murderers, ISIS. There are so many that splinter groups have splinter groups. Boko Haram has murdered more than 20,000.

10. In most Islamic countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa, Jews have been run out of the country and Christians are being either run out of the country or murdered.

11. If Islam is truly a religion of peace why are there so many violent attacks in the name of Islam during the holiday of Ramadan, which is one of the five pillars of Islam?

I could go on, but let’s focus for a moment on what is good in the Muslim world. There is Sisi in Egypt. There is the ever-wonderful King Abdullah II of Jordan. When you visit the U.A.E. you leave thinking if the Arab world were all like this, the world would be a vastly-nicer place to live. There appears to be a sign of moderation and actual democracy breaking out in Tunisia -- none of which was effected by the policies of the U.S. or Obama administration.

No one would make the case that all Muslims in the world are evil or murderers. That is another straw man that Obama creates to make his argument. What we would like to see is Obama actually make the case with bullet point examples supporting his assertion that Islam is a religion of peace.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: barack0bama; islam; middleeast; radicalislam
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To: Kaslin

The first president I have any recollection of was Eisenhower, and I’ve never seen a president who was so predictably and consistently wrong, nor so adamant that he was making things better. It’s reality that surpasses even the most absurd fiction.


41 posted on 07/17/2016 8:13:43 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Kaslin

While Bill O’Reilly was about 8 years too late, he was spot on in his analysis that Obama had deep ties to Islam that have clouded his judgement on all things pertaining to Islamic terrorism. I would go further, Obama is a Muslim sympathizer and shares many of the ideals of radical Islam about destroying the west.


42 posted on 07/17/2016 8:25:36 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: The Great RJ

I’ll go further. Based on his comments, actions, decisions, education, celebrating Islamic holidays in the wh, he is a muslim.


43 posted on 07/17/2016 8:33:01 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Kaslin
Obama IS Islam!

Obozo is a MUSLIM RADICAL running interference for his MUSLIM brothers.

American voters elected him twice because they thought they were doing the "politically correct" thing of giving a "black man" the opportunity to be President.

44 posted on 07/17/2016 8:45:19 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Kaslin

These are words that should never have been spoken. George W. Bush set the tone that Islam was not our enemy. That Muslims are just peace loving, religious, righteous, God fearing people except for a few radicals.

WHAT A LIE.

Talk about Obama who refuses to identify the enemy, George W. Bush was just as guilty. Actually more guilty, because this was the time to declare all of Islam the true enemy that they are.

Excerpts from a speech by President George W. Bush to a joint session of Congress and the American people on September 21, 2001

“The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics - a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam.”

“I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends”

“No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith.”


45 posted on 07/17/2016 8:48:22 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s NOT a religion. It’s a political system.<<<

BINGO!....and it needs to be framed that way every chance we get!!!!


46 posted on 07/17/2016 9:00:30 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Bttt!


47 posted on 07/17/2016 9:16:32 AM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who is a MALICIOUS DIVIDER of humans)
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To: Kaslin

Normally, when President Obama makes a statement of fact, you can negate what he said, or invert what he says 180 degrees and you are presented with the truth. Almost always.


48 posted on 07/17/2016 9:27:08 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ("And, if you're not queen, my dear, think you that you're wronged?)
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To: Kaslin

How dare anyone suggest that our president is wrong on any of today’s issues. He is a thoughtful and contemplative leader of the free world. The reason he stutters like a motorboat running on kerosene is because he’s busy thinking.

I wonder if Americans would again vote for a foreign exchange student as their president. Many are geared up to vote for a lying lesbian murderess to replace the sainted one.


49 posted on 07/17/2016 9:31:51 AM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and Slinkys: Good for nothing but make you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: HomerBohn

BTTT


50 posted on 07/17/2016 9:46:27 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needI have beeed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is the face of Islam.


51 posted on 07/17/2016 10:22:22 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Hillary is Satan's spiritual advisor.)
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To: Kaslin

What Hussein thinks about Islam is correct from an Islamist point of view but it is not what he says.


52 posted on 07/17/2016 10:27:41 AM PDT by arthurus (http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/Mohammed_%26_Charlemagne_Revisited%3A_The_Epilogue)
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To: morphing libertarian

How can anyone doubt that he is. He even admitted it himself.


53 posted on 07/17/2016 10:36:08 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needI have beeed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

Someone is doing the financing. The biggest is obama with $150 billion to Iran. 2nd is the State dept with money going to the PLO terrorists who are firing rockets into Israel. After that it is the Saudi’s and Iranians and various other arab countries. I know what I would do. It would not be pleasant for any mentioned.


54 posted on 07/17/2016 10:36:11 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Kaslin

What if? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


55 posted on 07/17/2016 10:36:57 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (“’Islamophobia”, a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.” Christo)
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To: Kaslin

Then, we are racists!


56 posted on 07/17/2016 12:09:42 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Remember...after the primaries, we better still be on the same team!)
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To: Kaslin

bump


57 posted on 07/17/2016 1:08:46 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will no longer surrender this country to the false song of globalism. --Donald Trump)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve heard at least 27,000 times since 9-11-2001 that Islam is a religion of peace. They mention it after every single Muslim terrorist attack, and there have been 27,000 of those in the past 15 years. Surely they would not keep saying that unless it was true.


58 posted on 07/17/2016 4:17:05 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sacajaweau

Islam is not a religion. It is a political system.

I agree and would also suggest the western world has a political system based on Christian beliefs. We have forgotten that. Islam and Christianity are both distinct worldviews and they are not compatible with each other.

We have been conditioned to try to separate religion and politics and forget that politics are born of, and reflect, the morals and ethics of the dominant beliefs (religion) of society. Religion is more basic, the foundation, of politics.

Even if western people are no longer religious, they are swimming in, and benefiting from, a political system based on Christian beliefs. They don’t even realize that because it is not taught like that that anymore.


59 posted on 07/17/2016 6:53:00 PM PDT by Sodbuster
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To: Kaslin

Obama is not wrong about Islam — he knows how evil it is. He just lies about it — taqqiya


60 posted on 07/18/2016 4:27:01 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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