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LIVE THREAD:RNC National Convention Day 4 July 21, 2016 starts @ 7:20pm ET
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Posted on 07/21/2016 2:28:34 AM PDT by nikos1121

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To: nopardons

I’m replying to you what you wrote to me.

You didn’t need to reply back if you didn’t want to.

“If our Founders had all agreed on something, it would have been done; not to mention the fact that early on, most of those living here, from Europe, were PROTESTANTS and mainly from what is today the UK, Holland, and Germany.”

So if our first Congress had decided to pick one of the denominations found in the colonies and impose it as the established religion, that simply would have been done? I think not. They would have had another rebellion on their hands. There wasn’t that level of acceptance of other denominations, even other Protestant ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_religion_in_the_United_States#America_as_a_religious_refuge:_17th_century
“Our founders WERE a small group of the ELITE. Even uncouth Andy Jackson was a general.”

What about the individual contributions of all the colonial Americans who weren’t the leadership?


3,681 posted on 07/24/2016 7:32:14 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: nopardons

I know what I’m talking about.


3,682 posted on 07/24/2016 7:34:09 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Faith Presses On
No you don't.

You are a sad joke.

3,683 posted on 07/24/2016 7:39:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Are you a Christian and do you believe in the Bible?


3,684 posted on 07/24/2016 7:45:27 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Faith Presses On
Thank you SO much for PROVING, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you do NOT know what you're talking about! :-)

One third of the colonists, didn't care, one third were loyal to the Kind and England, and one third were for the revolution and separating from the crown. Of that remaining third, those who were members of the Continental Congress were the wealthy/upper middle class, with a very few middle classers thrown in.

Of the first presidents, ALL were an ELITE class.

I'd give you an in depth history lesson, but you can't afford to pay my fee and I shan't do it for free. Now go away...I'm bored with feeding your masochism.

3,685 posted on 07/24/2016 7:48:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Faith Presses On

I’m more of a Christian than YOU are and my beliefs are none of your business. Bless your heart.....


3,686 posted on 07/24/2016 7:49:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I proved no such thing.

The views and beliefs of the public shaped the choices of the first leaders. The Constitution just wasn’t imposed top-down by autocrats. The leaders had the people to be accountable to. They weren’t their dictators and couldn’t have just imposed one religion sect as a state religion.

And I know all about that the colonists’ were split on supporting England versus supporting revolution. That isn’t the topic.

And I have never disputed that the first leaders were of the elite class. But I do dispute that they are essentially being given the credit for being the entire original U.S., and its only founders, versus all the little men and women who had beliefs and fought for them, too, and whose beliefs certainly influenced the form of our government.


3,687 posted on 07/24/2016 7:58:32 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I hardly ever listen to the radio.

I’m not too interested in enemy teams games, until it’s crunch time.


3,688 posted on 07/24/2016 8:02:07 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: nopardons

“I’m more of a Christian than YOU are and my beliefs are none of your business. Bless your heart.....”

Well, where’s your proof? As you’re attacking me personally, then it is my business, and that is all the more so since this site is about defending the Christian worldview and promoting Christian values and beliefs in politics. Since you’re promoting your beliefs and opinions here, identify what they are and where you’re coming from.


3,689 posted on 07/24/2016 8:14:40 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Faith Presses On

i don’t think it was a big deal. They were mostly all Protestants.

Here is what George Washington says in his Farewell Address:

“With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.”

He says it beautifully. SLIGHT SHADES OF DIFFRENCE.
aka No Big Deal between the denominations.

The fact that this nation is comprised of citizens other than those described above, is the reason for losing our cohesiveness.

That’s all I wanted to share about this.
Thank you.


3,690 posted on 07/24/2016 8:14:43 PM PDT by Right-wing Librarian (God's Chosen Warriors vs. Satan's Chosen Warrior: The choice couldn't be more clear.)
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To: Right-wing Librarian

Washington was apparently emphasizing what he saw as the commonalities among the people and in their religious beliefs.

But at the time, those differences were considerable, and led even to different Protestant groups persecuting each other. When I have more time, I can post more about that, but suffice to say that there were genuine and deep problems and differences among Puritans, Quakers, Baptists, Lutherans, and Anglicans, etc., and there were many Catholics and some Jews here as well.

And even where there was some acceptance to allow those of different sects to have their own churches and not try to interfere with them, that doesn’t mean that Lutherans and Baptists would have accepted an Anglican state religion established by Congress, or Anglicans and Puritans would have accepted a Baptist state religion established by Congress, etc. Certainly in establishing a Union, that was the danger, that one sect would grow the most powerful and establish itself as the national religion, if it were allowed to, and that would have been a public concern of the time.


3,691 posted on 07/24/2016 8:26:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Faith Presses On

Yes. For that reason, Congress was prohibited from promoting a particular sect, but States were not prohibited.

The states had certain things they were not permitted to do. Those were articulated in Article One, Section Ten. Establishing a State religion was not prohibited.


3,692 posted on 07/24/2016 8:32:33 PM PDT by Right-wing Librarian (God's Chosen Warriors vs. Satan's Chosen Warrior: The choice couldn't be more clear.)
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To: Right-wing Librarian

Oh yes. But there is perhaps some confusion here over the term “state.” I’ve been talking just about the First Amendment and the U.S. Congress being prohibited from establishing a religion, which would be the “state religion.” And that was not just the invention of Jefferson, but it was a pragmatic decision since most of the public wouldn’t have accepted any one sect being established as the national or state religion before all the others.


3,693 posted on 07/24/2016 8:47:21 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Faith Presses On
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....that's WHY slavery was allowed, because the "little people in the South were the slave owners! LOL

All of the "little people" texted Jefferson and told him what to write! ROTFLMSO !

You imagine that EVERYONE back then was "holy", behaved well, and believe whatever the bleeding hell you do? You're delusional! Franklin was a lousy husband and worse father. Jefferson was a spendthrift...on money he didn't have and expected his friend to pay his bills, Poor Hamilton was seduced and then blackmailed, Burr was a very nasty POS, and those "little people", whose lives you really don't know about...were just like people of today. Man doesn't change, only technology changes!

3,694 posted on 07/24/2016 10:07:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Faith Presses On
Oh precious....I'm stating FACTS; NOT prostheyltizing, nor even professing my personal views; unlike YOU.

A "GOOD" Christian wouldn't behave as you do.

And didums, I've been on this site longer than you have and am still here.

We are electing a president and there's NOTHING in the Constitution, that specifies anything at all, there, about the president having to pass some kind of religious test, nor, sadly, even a moral one.

Please just go back to the religion section !

3,695 posted on 07/24/2016 10:16:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Impy

there will be no crunch time for the ChiSox


3,696 posted on 07/25/2016 3:58:16 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: Impy

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/cubs-appear-close-to-sending-top-prospect-to-yankees-for-chapman/

cubs
chapman


3,697 posted on 07/25/2016 4:06:00 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: Faith Presses On

Yes, I agree.

My husband explained it to me in the same manner.

Cheers,
RWL


3,698 posted on 07/25/2016 5:12:42 AM PDT by Right-wing Librarian (God's Chosen Warriors vs. Satan's Chosen Warrior: The choice couldn't be more clear.)
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To: Faith Presses On

I also think some further clarification is needed here to clear up some misunderstanding.

When you are using the word “state”, it is not meant to mean each of the states, as in Vermont, New York, etc.

Rather, you mean the word “state”, as in the phrase “state of the Union”.

If I am correct in the above stated thought, THEN, we agree!


3,699 posted on 07/25/2016 5:17:20 AM PDT by Right-wing Librarian (God's Chosen Warriors vs. Satan's Chosen Warrior: The choice couldn't be more clear.)
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To: Faith Presses On
Who wrote your tagline?

Do you object to something about it?

Not at all. As I teach 4th grade boys Sunday School, and spend too much time trying to correct the lies and damage from public schools regarding our Christian founders, I wondered if one of them wrote it. However, when I did a simple search on those words, only you showed up. If an important figure in the founding of this blessed Republic wrote it, then I was going to research more to determine if it was worth teaching about. However,if an unknown Freeper that appears to have a chip on their shoulder wrote it, I'll file it away and give proper credit if I ever decide to use it.
3,700 posted on 07/25/2016 5:20:55 AM PDT by DocRock (And now is the time to fight! Peter Muhlenberg)
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