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Dark Matter May Be Completely Invisible, Concludes World's Most Sensitive Search
Forbes ^ | 07/21/2016 | Ethan Siegel

Posted on 07/21/2016 10:47:42 AM PDT by Phlap

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To: Boogieman
if they add enough mass in the right places to their models, they can force the model to match the observations

I prefer epicycles.

41 posted on 07/21/2016 11:59:04 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Zeneta

I’m probably being completely dense, but an absence of light makes dark...isn’t that all that dark matter is??? Nothing tangible, just an absence of light? No ‘matter’ to it?


42 posted on 07/21/2016 11:59:12 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: JeffAtlanta

Open Universe?

Forever expanding, meaning time without end?


43 posted on 07/21/2016 12:00:15 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Boogieman

There are theories that work without resorting to “dark matter” pixie dust, but the physicists and cosmologists just prefer their existing theories, because they still hold out hope they can prop them up if they find the “dark matter”.

...

Maybe all those physicists and cosmologists simply aren’t as smart and knowledgeable on the subject as you are.


44 posted on 07/21/2016 12:04:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I am in no way a physicist or well versed in the sciences.

My father passed a year ago and just today in his huge stack of papers, I came across a paper copy of an article published in 1979 that can now be accessed on-line (”Time without end: Physics and biology in an open universe,” http://scilib-physics.narod.ru/Dyson/dyson.pdf, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson%27s_eternal_intelligence).

My father was a brilliant man, always reading, studying and learning up to the moment he passed. I’ve been studying the Dyson article when this thread came up.

Talk about timing.

Anyway, too many equations and some very deep philosophical discussions for me to closely follow, though I do experience a glimmer of understanding time-to-time.

I think this is interesting. Perhaps you might as well.


45 posted on 07/21/2016 12:12:58 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Boogieman
if we consider the idea that the motion of galaxies is not determined only by gravity

What else?

46 posted on 07/21/2016 12:14:36 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Boogieman

Post 45. . .article discusses thoughts on galaxies and planets wandering off.


47 posted on 07/21/2016 12:14:57 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: freepertoo

No.

“Dark” is a term coined by scientist to basically say “We have no clue”.

Unknown = Dark

The issue is that they seem to believe it MUST exist because they claim they can see its effects.

And it helps make their calculations work.


48 posted on 07/21/2016 12:18:53 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: freepertoo

“Dark” means “we can’t find it.” It might really be dark, or it might be a problem with relativity, or something outside of both relativity and the Standard Model. At least now some of the leading theories have shown to be lacking.


49 posted on 07/21/2016 12:20:49 PM PDT by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: Zeneta

I see, thanks.


50 posted on 07/21/2016 12:21:58 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Moonman62

No, I don’t think so. If you look at the history of science, much of it is filled with very intelligent men holding on to flawed theories that should have been abandoned, in the name of scientific orthodoxy.


51 posted on 07/21/2016 12:25:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: frithguild

I would suggest electromagnetism. At the time it was ruled out as a significant factor in the motion of heavenly bodies, we still believed that space was a vacuum, and vacuums cannot conduct electromagnetic forces. We now know that space is mostly filled with very thin, ionized gas, also known as plasma, and plasma is a very good conductor of electromagnetic forces.


52 posted on 07/21/2016 12:27:36 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
the arms rotate at the same speed as the center of the galaxy<.i>

Not a troll here - looking to understand this better.

So, lets assume we have the galactic center, a star 1 a distance of x from the center and star 2 x+y from the center and in a galactic arm. Lets also assume we take a ray that forms a right angle from a tangent plane from the galactic center that transects S1 and S2, like a spoke in a wagon wheel. As S1 and S2 are observed to rotate around the galactic center, do they stay "within the spoke"? And relativistic models predict that S2 would lag behind the tangent ray that transects S1?

53 posted on 07/21/2016 12:31:47 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Boogieman

interesting. I am not a cosmolgist at all, but certainly we know that super massive black holes at the galactic centers have bipolar astrophysical jets, which implies axial rotation. It makes sense to me that this may generate a powerful electomagnetic field perpendicular to the axis of rotation.


54 posted on 07/21/2016 12:39:24 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

a tangent plane from the galactic center (represented as a sphere - the shape of the super massive black hole)


55 posted on 07/21/2016 12:42:10 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Boogieman

So what type of dark matter particle was this particular experiment trying to detect?


56 posted on 07/21/2016 12:44:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Boogieman

I have an honest question.

Can or is the Speed of Light slowed down while traveling through different medium?


57 posted on 07/21/2016 12:53:10 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Phlap

I had some in my closet but when I opened the door it all leaked out.


58 posted on 07/21/2016 12:57:52 PM PDT by Blogatron (...and the train it won't stop going, no way to slow down.)
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To: Zeneta
The speed of light in a vacuum is what is universally invariant. The speed of light in a medium does indeed vary depending on the medium. This leads to a peculiar phenomenon, where some particles can exceed the local speed of light when it is traveling through a medium. When that happens, the particles begin emitting "cherenkov radiation", which is kind of an electromagnetic equivalent of a "sonic boom".
59 posted on 07/21/2016 12:58:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Moonman62

Well, they don’t really know what kind of particles this theoretical “dark matter” would be, since they have never been able to detect or observe any of it. They have some guesses, but that is all they are at this point.


60 posted on 07/21/2016 1:01:33 PM PDT by Boogieman
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