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Emanuel proposes water, sewer tax to shore up ailing pension fund
chicagotribune ^

Posted on 08/04/2016 7:54:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday called for a new tax on city water and sewer bills to stabilize the city's largest pension fund, a move he portrayed as his latest tough decision to secure Chicago's financial future.

Emanuel's plan, which would increase the average water and sewer bill by 30 percent over the next four years, was quickly met with resistance from some aldermen who argued the city would be better off adding business taxes or even raising property taxes again to come up with the hundreds of millions of dollars a year needed to keep the city's municipal workers' pension fund from going bust.

Still, Emanuel projected confidence his plan ultimately would win approval in the City Council, which rarely rebuffs the mayor's proposals and has yet to independently provide its own solution to solidify any of the city's four major pension systems that have been woefully underfunded for more than a decade.

In a speech to about 200 financial investors Wednesday, Emanuel unveiled his water and sewer tax plan while making the case to Wall Street that his administration has done the hard work to brighten Chicago's dark financial picture.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; emanuel; fund; illinois; mayor; mayoremanuel; mayorrahmemanuel; pension; pensionfund; rahmemanuel; sewer; tax; taxation; taxes; water
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To: sphinx
No one cried for the pensioners at LTV Steel or Jones & Laughlin Steel when their pensions went belly up. Just because it is a government pension doesn't mean it is sacrosanct. They should all take a hair cut and newer employees should only get a 401K type of retirement.

There are always people who would like to become firefighters in particular. In most communities you are more likely to be treated for hemorrhoids than smoke inhalation.

21 posted on 08/04/2016 8:27:14 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: zek157
Don't think it can't happen.

The very first thing that needs to be done is reworking the Federal income tax. If they dropped the ability to deduct state and local taxes from your federal income, without federal deduct ability of local taxes these localities would be forced to live within their means.

As it stands now, low cost states with fiscal responsibility are helping to pay for high tax states through their income taxes.

22 posted on 08/04/2016 8:32:01 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why is the pension fund ailing? It’s a government run program.


23 posted on 08/04/2016 8:35:40 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Jim from C-Town
I agree.

As to firefighters, here (and in most other cities, I think) they earn their living as EMT's. The fire coverage is something cities must provide, but actual fires are fairly rare. Firemen are assigned collateral duties to fill their time.

24 posted on 08/04/2016 8:36:58 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Chicago has not had a non-Democrat (identified) Mayor or Alderman Majority since the 1930s [Officially Non-Partisan - right!] Starting with the "Boss", Richard J Daley, the man likely to have 'elected' JFK with the "River Wards' vote", these are the mayors of Chicago in the last 50 years;

Richard J. Daley - 1955-1976,
Michael Anthony Bilandic - 1976-1979,
Jane Margaret Byrne - 1979-1983,
Harold Lee Washington - 1983-1987,
David Duvall Orr - 1987-1987,
Eugene Sawyer - 1987-1989,
Richard M. Daley - 1989-2011,
Rahm Israel Emanuel - 2011 - Present.

Any number of elections had the citizens told that the pension load was unsustainable but the union & minority vote was the key. This case is just one of many poster-children for why public/government unions are a BAD thing! Until the debt bomb, after ever-so-many bond issues and lip-service debt payments, comes due, it is only a cloud on the horizon. Well, it is here and you can bet that Chicago is hoping that a Hillary and Democrat Congress & Senate will NATIONALIZE their debt - "For the little people!"

25 posted on 08/04/2016 8:37:23 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: raybbr
That's nothing! In order for the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District in Cleveland to pay for the EPA mandated changes to the storm sewers and creation of massive retention tunnels to store storm water overflow. The department is now taxing the amount of impervious land you own. In other words they are taking satellite images of everyone’s property and calculating the square footage of roofs and concrete surfaces and billing you for the rain.

They are literally taxing the water that falls out of the sky!

26 posted on 08/04/2016 8:37:35 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: sphinx
Firefighters should be subcontracted to private companies in order to control costs. Many cities, particularly suburbs are already using Rural Metro or other private ambulance service. This stabilizes and lowers costs.

Most of these companies could effectively run fire services as well. Some municipalities already contract them out.

The average Paramedic on a Fire department in a large city makes $60, 000 or more a year + overtime and only works 7 24 hr shifts a month. A private Paramedic makes around $35,000 and works 16-10 or 13-12 hour shifts a month. That savings doesn't even bring up the lower costs of health care and retirement.

27 posted on 08/04/2016 8:45:24 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Lemme see if I can identify the problem succinctly. The IL Supreme Court recently ruled that the state's constitutional provisions on the sanctity of public pensions had to be honored. So, the funding shortfall that the political system caused in support the pension obligations of gazillions of present and past state and municipal employees cannot be met by a reduction in benefits. So, Illinois and its municipalities will forever be squeezing in taxes on all sorts of functions that have nothing to do with provision of pension benefits to retired employees.

Solution? Move from IL ASAP.

28 posted on 08/04/2016 8:46:34 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Chicago...a typical degenerate city run by LIBs/DIMs forever.


29 posted on 08/04/2016 8:46:50 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

it should be required that all govt employees LIVE in the cesspool they create in order to get their payoff, I mean pension....


30 posted on 08/04/2016 8:47:09 AM PDT by cherry
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Another tax - that should do it.


31 posted on 08/04/2016 8:47:47 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Jim from C-Town

yep you’re right...not one tear when my husband’s company declared “bankruptcy”.....not one...he lost his retirement and his retirement health care....


32 posted on 08/04/2016 8:52:04 AM PDT by cherry
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Rahm Emanuel says you all have to pay off the democrat voters pensions while you cannot save enough to support yourself.


33 posted on 08/04/2016 9:33:49 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: zek157

“The people most able to pay will leave 1st. The people left will not pay their water & sewer bills, or the additional tax.”

Yes, that’s exactly how the system of Democrat Decay works.


34 posted on 08/04/2016 9:43:07 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I’ve heard about things like that. It must be great for resale values.


35 posted on 08/04/2016 9:43:54 AM PDT by zek157
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To: Jim from C-Town

There is a difference between employee pensions and Social

security. SS is only supposed to cover around 40% of what you need to live on in retirement. (Less if you are a high income wage earner.) Employee pensions are to allow the person to live comfortably in retirement.


36 posted on 08/04/2016 9:50:32 AM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: 1Old Pro

Chicago is probably the worst offender, but most pension funds will have issues because of the Fed drive to zero interest rates in support of ever higher deficits & increased borrowing.

Pension fund returns were based on a mix of corporate & gov’t bond returns averaging 5-6% and then stocks providing another couple % for a blended return of 7-8%. Safe basic widow & orphan investments that do not exist today


37 posted on 08/04/2016 9:55:00 AM PDT by zek157
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I thought that, not long ago, there were many in Chicago not paying for such services and the courts were pretty much calling them a constitutional right that couldn’t be turned off for non-payment - wonder how Rahm expects to make money on this instead of just screwing those who actually pay their own way.....


38 posted on 08/04/2016 9:59:21 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Tax tax tax tax tax tax.


39 posted on 08/04/2016 9:59:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: rcofdayton

There is no reason why we continue to provide pensions to government employees. It is high time we end these pensions and structure 401k, 403b pension plans for those in government ‘service’. This is what the average American is required to deal with and most often at a much lower rate of salary.


40 posted on 08/04/2016 10:03:40 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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