Posted on 08/06/2016 3:06:59 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe
Ok, how about the majority of people. While some may hold out til death, most people will break under extended deprivation and torture. Of course, skeletons or maimed personnel don’t lend themselves to good propaganda.
Either way, this is not a good topic for Trump to jump into.
Yes, Lance Sijan is one.
He died.
if you recall during your SERE training, everyone has a breaking point, up to dying.
If you recall your SERE training you were taught to resist to the utmost of your ability by not to the point of dying.
If you recall your SERE training, you know how terribly tortured are POWs were and you were taught to never fault a fellow POW that broke.
The main thing I have against Juan is that he was so damned un-patriotic as to run for president.
The captivity thing is null and void as far as I am concerned. He wasn’t the only American held in Viet Nam inhuman prisons. His plane crashed but he still had a sidearm. He should have shot as many commies as he could before they could take him down.
He is beloved by the opposition and for very good reasons.
To add to the discussion I add this as a point of interest as I do not know the reliability of the source:http://powderedwigsociety.com/the-real-john-mccain-20012/
Compare and contrast McCain, Kerry and Jane Fonda for a look at the faces of treason.
I am not crazy about McCain. But I give him a pass on this. It was a long time ago and under duress. I know I can take a beating. But not every day.
I don’t think I’ve read any post up to this point calling him a hero.
I think most are pretty much agreeing that he was a man. And, as a man we can understand conditions that break average people.
I respect his ability to get out of there alive and somewhat sane.
McCain served our nation, for this I am grateful. That said, he’z lost his ever-lovin mind in years since.
McCain has lost all sense of servitude as the peoples representative. He has become pompous, arrogant and elitist.
McCain IS the problem in government and he must be removed from office.
Thank you for your service JM.
Have you been in that situation?
You hit the nail on the head and I’m standing with your analysis-even tho’ i don’t like his politics.
His 100 year old (or so) mother Roberta makes more sense than he ever will.-She’s cast iron. Haven’t heard much of her lately or what state she’s in physically or mentally but there a few yrs ago she was always ripping into something to keep going physically & her mind active and to keep herself entertained. She’s a strong woman.
“He should have shot as many commies as he could before they could take him down.”
So all the others that did not and were taken prisoner were, what, wrong?
Especially with two broken arms that today still don’t function properly.
I wouldn’t presume to judge McCain on this one, not having walked in his shoes.
Tough standard, Homer.
If we understand correctly, he was in water with at least two broken arms and a broken leg. Best case, he was in shock but not in pain. However, he clearly had structural issues and was likely struggling to keep his head above water.
I agree with others on this thread that there is nothing but risk for Trump with this issue - even if there was clear and convincing evidence his POW actions caused harm to other POW's that evidence was not properly dealt with in a timely manner.
Wounded?
Being a veteran I can be critical of those who peacefully surrender.
WTH? My #53 should have been addressed to Homer. (Not enough coffee yet.)
“He refused early repatriation and spent five and a half long years in that hell.
That tape should not be held against him.”
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Ditto. I don’t like what Sen. McCain has become, but I’m gonna say that only another POW who endured like treatment has the moral authority to condemn him on this one.
Post 53
Being a veteran with multiple deployments to combat theaters, once as an USAF liaison with the Navy (on a ship), once on the ground as a FAC with the Army, and in the air as a fighter pilot, I do not hold your standard.
SERE is very informative and factual and realistic, and opens the “vault” on debriefs and experiences of POWs. You must recall what they taught you.
I knew what you meant. . .
If the goal of releasing this tape is to damage John McCain it is a mistake.
Criticise him for his political career but not his actions under extreme torture. No one can judge another in that circumstance,you resist to the best of your ability,most gave some,some gave all
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