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Woman Speaks Out: I Saw a Gun Pulled on the Swimmers
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-speaks-witnessing-ryan-lochtes-210437444.html ^

Posted on 08/19/2016 8:04:43 AM PDT by Scythian_Reborn

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To: lacrew

There are supposedly three (3) minutes missing from the gas station security tape released by the Brazilians.

Where is that missing videotape, and what’s on it?

Also, they showed a video tape on the news that show one of the swimmers exiting the cab at the gas station with his hands up.


61 posted on 08/19/2016 9:43:11 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (You can't spell TRIUMPH without TRUMP)
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To: Pollster1
The two stories are actually quite similar. Whether the restroom was already damaged (VERY likely, even if the swimmers made it worse) or not, and whether the swimmers did more damage either intentionally or because things just fell down when touched, it sounds like the same incident described from very different perspectives of self-interest.

Exactly my position. As with the Kobe Bryant rape case, I believe both parties were presenting the story from their own perspective, and neither one was lying. They just interpreted the events in very different ways.

This business of someone pointing a gun at you and demanding money appears to an American very much like an armed robbery.

Accepting such a thing as a normal way of doing things would be a complete cultural disconnect for an American.

62 posted on 08/19/2016 9:43:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yep I saw that.


63 posted on 08/19/2016 9:45:21 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: TexasGator
Lochte said that no gun was cocked and put to his forehead.

One is a lie.

D@mn sure is. The lie is the one where he said it didn't happen.

Again, when your buddy is being held hostage, you agree to say whatever is necessary to get them free.

Of course, here in America, we toss out coerced confessions.

64 posted on 08/19/2016 9:47:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: TexasGator
hmmm. He recanted his story about being pulled over when he realized the videos showed him lying.

I'm thinking i'm just about done going around in circles with you. It's not really a lie when you are so drunk that you can't remember unimportant details perfectly.

The important detail, like *HAVING A F***ING GUN POINTED AT YOU* is absolutely correct.

65 posted on 08/19/2016 9:50:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“I’m thinking i’m just about done going around in circles with you. It’s not really a lie when you are so drunk that you can’t remember unimportant details perfectly. “

Like a gun being cocked and put to your forehead?

He described that in vivid detail. He described a lot in vivid detail on national TV.

Details he then later recanted after he realized the videos showed otherwise.


66 posted on 08/19/2016 9:54:13 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DiogenesLamp

You ducked my request.


67 posted on 08/19/2016 9:56:01 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Like a gun being cocked and put to your forehead?

He described that in vivid detail. He described a lot in vivid detail on national TV.

And you think it is unusual that someone might remember an incident in which someone cocks a gun and points it at their head?

What is the matter with you? Having someone point a gun at me would certainly sober me up pretty D@mn quick. Have you ever suddenly been confronted with the possibility of your imminent death?

Details he then later recanted after he realized the videos showed otherwise.

The video does not clearly show anything. You can see men with their hands up, and you can see someone behind them that may or may not be holding a gun, but that is all you can see.

The fact that they have their hands up implies that there was a gun pointed at them.

And we have a witness (other than themselves) that has confirmed it.

68 posted on 08/19/2016 10:14:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BobinIL
My personal opinion is that these guys probably got drunk and damaged the bathroom the the police were called and the police asked for payment to make them go away. Call it being held up call it extortion call it what ever you want but if you believe the official Brazil side of the story I have a bridge to sell you.

That's my take too, though the Brazilians admitted to pulling on gun on them when they became belligerent.

Paying off police is the norm throughout Latin America, if you're pulled over for a traffic violation in Mexico, you're more or less expected to bribe the police officer. Crooked and corrupt? Sure. That doesn't mean that the Olympian's side of the story about an unprovoked hold-up is true either or that I'm in any hurry to defend our people when they act like British soccer hooligans.

69 posted on 08/19/2016 10:15:45 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: TexasGator
You ducked my request.

See here? This is another difference in perception. I chose not to waste time indulging your whim about a trivial detail, and you regard it as "ducking" your request.

Ignoring is closer to what I did. I didn't bother with it because I consider it irrelevant to the fact that the man was pointing a gun at them and any reasonable person would conclude they were being shaken down.

Your worries about the timeline do not impact the essential facts of the case.

70 posted on 08/19/2016 10:17:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Those poor guys being forced to say they are lying from that third world garbage pit. BAN BRAZIL from any vacation plans....


71 posted on 08/19/2016 10:30:42 AM PDT by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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To: TexasGator

You do realize that at this point, these guys are saying anything the third world garbage pit demands they say, so they can get out of that country alive and keep their careers alive. Right?


72 posted on 08/19/2016 10:34:59 AM PDT by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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To: Scythian_Reborn

Hard to imagine what one could do to a third world gas station bathroom to “destroy” it. I frankly, am surprised anyone could tell the difference.


73 posted on 08/19/2016 10:36:53 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: NorthMountain

In regard to #3 the difference is hat day of the week it is in many cases.


74 posted on 08/19/2016 10:38:25 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Fawn

“You do realize that at this point, these guys are saying anything the third world garbage pit demands they say, so they can get out of that country alive and keep their careers alive. Right?”

You do realize that Lochte went on national TV the day of the event and lied ....


75 posted on 08/19/2016 10:40:09 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

James James
Morrison’s mother
Hasn’t been heard of since.
King John said he was sorry,
So did the Queen and Prince.
King John
(Somebody told me)
Said to a man he knew:
If people go down to the end of the town, well,
what can anyone do?”


76 posted on 08/19/2016 10:41:45 AM PDT by anton
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To: DiogenesLamp

“See here? This is another difference in perception. I chose not to waste time indulging your whim about a trivial detail, and you regard it as “ducking” your request. “

You made a statement that the video showed the gun to the forehead. Please cite the source.


77 posted on 08/19/2016 10:41:45 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: DiogenesLamp

“The video does not clearly show anything.”

They show them at a gas station when Lochte said they were pulled over on the road....

They show them at the gas station after 6AM when Lochte said he had returned around 4 AM.


78 posted on 08/19/2016 10:44:19 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

No he didn’t lie. He was robbed at gun point...


79 posted on 08/19/2016 11:10:40 AM PDT by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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To: Fawn

“No he didn’t lie. He was robbed at gun point...”

He said they were pulled over on the road by several men.

The video shows them at a gas station getting into the cab.

He said they returned to the complex about 4AM.

Video shows that it was almost 7AM.

He said a cocked gun was put to his forehead.

He said that it was NOT true that a cocked gun was put to his forehead.


80 posted on 08/19/2016 12:04:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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