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To: cotton1706

They destroyed the current one they swore to uphold. Why not make another one that fits their needs ?

Before I support an Article V I need to see them at least attempt to read the current one.


4 posted on 08/22/2016 6:16:34 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Celerity

No need for you to read any big bills before passage.
Senator Pelosi advises we pass a bill in order to read it.

I don’t trust any US or state legislator to touch the US Constitution!

RE: “They destroyed the current one they swore to uphold. Why not make another one that fits their needs ?

Before I support an Article V I need to see them at least attempt to read the current one.”


14 posted on 08/22/2016 6:38:12 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Celerity

> “Before I support an Article V I need to see them at least attempt to read the current one.”

There will never be such an attempt because the States lost their power before the federal government with the passage of the 17th Amendment.

The amendments to be proposed should be written to tilt to restoring the balance of power between the States and the federal government.

Here are illustrations:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII (State Sufferage)

To restore effective suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1.
A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years nor more than eighteen years.

Section 3:
The seventeenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

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AMENDMENT XXIX (Check Federal Government by ‘Thirty-State Quash Authority’)

To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the States, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1.
Upon a majority vote in three-fifths of state legislatures, specific federal statutes, federal court decisions and executive directives of any form shall be repealed and made void in any state, territory, or possession of the United States.

Section 2.
State legislatures in agreement with results derived from Section 1 of this amendment shall sign a state quash authority directive delineating the specific federal statutes, federal court decisions or federal executive directives affected, said directive addressed and delivered to the Congress of the United States becoming immediately effective as of the date of delivery.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3423235/posts?page=949#949

Note that these illustrations are written SO THAT THE STATES ARE GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY AND AUTHORITY. Amendments should be written so that it is clear that the federal government has no mandate regarding the interpretation or selective enforcement or non-enforcement of these types of amendments.

For example, the flawed 10th Amendment leaves all powers not enumerated in the US Constitution to the States or to the People. However, there is no mechanism left to the states to check the federal government with the 10th Amendment save for the appointment of US Senators by state legislatures which was abolished under the 17th Amendment. As it is, the 10th Amendment jurisdiction is left to the federal judiciary without any voice or role for the States. The result of these compounded flaws has yielded a highly centralized federal government whereby power is attained by an enormous federal government and funded by the Federal Reserve.


18 posted on 08/22/2016 7:24:57 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Celerity

Crafting just laws is an absolute necessity. Electing people to uphold those laws is also an absolute necessity.


20 posted on 08/22/2016 7:38:47 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Celerity
The bogeyman of a runaway convention of the states has been advanced, often by the same individuals, in thread after thread. The idea that leftists could take over such a convention is arithmetically and practically improbable to the point of near impossibility. Yet in thread after thread we hear the same fatuous refrain.

Here here is an analysis first posted in 2015:

There are 99 houses in 50 state legislatures. Any leftist amendment would require only 13 of these legislative bodies from 99 to defeat ratification. In other words, three quarters of the state legislatures must ratify or 38 states. If 13 legislatures fail to ratify the amendment is defeated. Since ratification by legislatures requires both houses to consent, only 13/99 are required. That is very close to 13%.

After the last election Republicans control 69 houses of the 99 state legislative houses. Republicans control 31 of the 50 state legislatures. To stop any unwise or imprudent amendment would require only 13 of these 69 Statehouses (from different states) or about 19%, fewer than one in five.

The problem will not be to stop left-wing amendments but to pass prudent conservative amendments which restore the Constitution by invoking the Constitution.

If the Congress of the United States elects to have the ratification procedures conducted by conventions rather than legislatures, the method of selecting the delegates to those conventions would be chosen by the legislatures. If only 13 legislative bodies out of 99 object to the method chosen by the other body because it is considered to favor a leftist amendment, there is no ratification forthcoming from that state.

By either procedure the odds of a liberal amendment getting past so many conservative legislative bodies in so many states is both arithmetically and practically remote.

Finally, this is only the last line of defense, there are innumerable steps along the way which make a "runaway convention" virtually impossible and render the need for the states to fail to ratify very likely superfluous.


27 posted on 08/22/2016 11:45:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford
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