Posted on 09/02/2016 5:02:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
Senator Pat Toomey started a campaign against ethanol. Seems to have died out. I am as passionately against ethanol as you sound to be. Also, being a prepper, it has no shelf life.
The efficiency for ethanol is HORRIBLE compared to gasoline. Even the government admits this. It will not nor would work on its own without subsidy for schemers, granaries and middleman corn whores and politicians.
Agreed. I have a ‘72 Honda 750 a ‘84 BMW R100 and a ‘97 BMW R11OORT. Supposedly the ‘97 is OK with ethanol, but I’m not chancing it. Luckily alc. Free is not hard to find here. I live in the middle of the corn belt and a good deal of my income is from farm ground that my family owns. I’m still apposed to ethanol. I know several farmers here that are all for it but won’t use it in their own vehicles.
Post 13 ; faucetman
May I add a DITTO to your thoughts?
Willing suspension of all disbelief. This non-taxing benefit results in a frigging MANDATE to put that sh!t in all our engines when there is NO mechanical benefit proven. That isn’t clothes, it isn’t tax credits or “no-taxing.” In my opinion, they aren’t “no-taxing;”
they are more likened to tax credits for behavior.
Ethanol is STILL corrosive. Adding octane doesn’t change that.
If corn prices are down might not other crops be planted that have a higher return?
The ethanol mandate has created a new industry of non ethanol fuels. True Fuel, Stihl and even Home Depot have their own versions of premixed and straight gasoline they sell in 1 quart containers for $6 or more retail.
I actually buy leaded 109 octane racing fuel by the gallon for about $9.00/gallon. It is the only alternative I can find here in NH that is within a ten mile drive. There are no other gas stations that sell non ethanol fuel around here.
For storage over the winter I put True Fuel into my multiple small engine equipment. I run them down to nothing, put just a little bit into their fuel tank. Then I restart and let them run for a few minutes to circulate the True Fuel and then shut it off. I have gone to this method after replacing two carbs.
It is very illuminating that we have to spend a buttload more money to get fuel that doesn’t have all the government mandated crap that’s put in it because of politics, isn’t it?
These studies continue not to incorporate in their numbers the fact that the corn used to produce ethanol is not depleted, but is ADDITIONALLY used as feed for livestock. So, it does double duty, and that fact is not incorporated in these studies.
To me, food resource planting should have nothing to do with energy sources other than human/animal sustenance.
Terms like “additional” and “double duty” still do not negate that fact that ethanol is BAD for conventional engines and that its use decreases the efficiency (directly, in mileage) when used as a fuel ‘additive’.
Ethanol is an inherently destructive corrosive factor on many materials from which engines and support systems are constructed. There really isn’t an argument about all this. It is all about MONEY and POLITICS.
We had a station that sold pure gasoline a few years back. Doing comparisons, I got 15% better mileage over 10%-ethanol blend. Problem was, it cost 15% more and they went out of business. There is another station around that sells it but it’s 20 miles out of my way.
Co-uses and co-products isn’t the question here. The question is whether it makes sense to mandate ethanol as an additive. NOTHING I have seen with respect to mileage, efficiency, non-harmful effects on engines - or even COST supports adding it to the “co-product” category for the sake of saying “corn is good.”
I’ve had THREE new cars/trucks from two different manufacturers. They all got O2 sensor failures DIRECTLY attributed to ethanol in the gas. I had to buy a CAN/OBD II tool to reset the crap engine alert. All O2 sensor damage from ethanol.
We used methanol in karts I used to race. After every race day was done, we'd drain the fuel tank, and then pull the fuel hose from the tank end, and fill it up with WD-40, start the engine, and run the WD-40 through the engine. Never had problems. The WD-40 lubed things up and removed any moisture from the alcohol, and also removed all vestiges of alcohol from the fuel system.
One time I failed to do it at the end of the day, the kart sat for a week, and when I pulled it apart, there was rust forming on the steel parts, and the carb was gunked with the salts left over from the alcohol evaporation.
Exactly. That's why it's so important to note that a principled conservative can take a stand against Ethanol and still win the Iowa caucuses, regardless of the voting rules.
The thirst mutilator! Now for cars!
The alcohol in ethanol attracts moisture.
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