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To: Scythian_Reborn
but then found out it wasn’t works but grace that saves

You were taught wrong. The Church NEVER taught that works save.

36 posted on 09/02/2016 9:13:01 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Say what you will, but almost every catholic I ask has that response, I’m not a catholic anymore, so no need to convince me, I know how it works and what is taught.


39 posted on 09/02/2016 9:15:18 AM PDT by Scythian_Reborn
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To: FatherofFive

Saved by Grace is definitely in Catholic teaching.
But you really have to dig for it. It is buried beneath
two millennia of ceremony and process and misguided tradition.

My parents believed that you might not be saved if you didn’t make Mass on all of the First Fridays. That is not actually Church teaching, but they sure didn’t work very hard to disabuse anyone of the notion.


48 posted on 09/02/2016 9:22:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FatherofFive

Catechism paragraph 846 (excerpt):

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
...
“Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”

Seems to me that, since being a member of the Catholic Church is a work, your catechism indeed says that works are necessary for salvation.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/846.htm


94 posted on 09/02/2016 10:12:51 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FatherofFive

This is the crux of my 13 year old wanting to leave the church. In school he us being taught that works are your key to heaven, he speaks up and says no, faith is the key. He also asks why he has to call a priest Father when His is the ibky father. He says that rapture is a good thing his teachers and classmates disagree. He asks why Revelations isn’t discussed while we are living in them. He said at age 18 he will leave the Catholic Church.


102 posted on 09/02/2016 10:22:00 AM PDT by Finatic (Sometimes I think it would be nice to just get it on and get it over with. Once and for all.)
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To: FatherofFive; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ..
You were taught wrong. The Church NEVER taught that works save.

So no one needs to be purged of all character defects in purgatory in order to enter Heaven, versus being purified by faith which is counted for righteousness, and made accepted in the Beloved on His account?

And Trent does not infer that works save in declaring that the one is justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, and truly merits the attainment of eternal life itself? (Trent, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 32).

140 posted on 09/03/2016 7:00:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: FatherofFive
The Church NEVER taught that works save.

But it DOES teach that they 'keep'.

152 posted on 09/04/2016 4:31:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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