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Ben Carson: "Good idea" for Donald Trump to apologize for "birther" comments
CBS News ^ | September 7, 2016 | Rebecca Shabad

Posted on 09/08/2016 1:05:30 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: EveningStar

Most of Trump’s supporters agree with him — that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.

If Trump eventually does bring it up he needs to preface his statement that it was Hillary’s idea first.


61 posted on 09/08/2016 2:04:08 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama has still never proved that he was born in Hawaii. There are all kinds of reasons that are real that makes it seem as though he made that whole BC up.


62 posted on 09/08/2016 2:04:40 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: EveningStar

Boy he stepped right into another attempt by the media to go after Trump on another non-issue.

He needs to limit his CNN appearances because he is not media savvy!!


63 posted on 09/08/2016 2:04:52 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (This election is about Nataional Sovereignty, Liberty, and Freedom for future generations)
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To: EveningStar

I would apologize when obama shows us his college records.


64 posted on 09/08/2016 2:06:06 PM PDT by Leep (Hillary Clinton does not approve of this message.)
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To: EveningStar

I think that would be a good idea, absolutely. I suggest that on all sides. Let’s get all of the hate and rancor out of the way so that we can actually discuss the issues,” said Carson, who ran against Trump during the Republican primaries earlier this year.


“Let’s get all of the hate and rancor out of the way so that we can actually discuss the issues.”

Yeah right—Guess Carson has not been informed who the Democrat candidate is. Sheesh what a Polly-Anna noob :(


65 posted on 09/08/2016 2:07:59 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (This election is about Nataional Sovereignty, Liberty, and Freedom for future generations)
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To: EveningStar
NEVER!!!

Fact One: Hillary was the one that started Barky’s birther situation....NOT TRUMP!!!

Fact Two: Trump was a business man, was not running for or been elected into ANY government office at that time, Hillary therefore was running against Barky for the POTUS...she used this trying to bring dirt onto Barky...

Fact Three: We have a law in this Country, you can state you opinion where, when, how and why as a Citizen, I don't see anyone trying to shut Hillary up, do you???

Trump DOES NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING, if the good Dr. wants to apologize for something he himself did through out his life, that's his right to do so, as for Trump, the good Dr. does not OWN Trump and therefore needs to keep his opinions as to what HE would do, NOT TRUMP!!!

66 posted on 09/08/2016 2:08:27 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t care if he does apologize...for now, so long as he launches a full investigation to find out the truth after he is President and has the power to do so.


67 posted on 09/08/2016 2:08:42 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ilovesarah2012

Obama himself wrote in that bio that he was born in Kenya, then they got the editor to say that she meant to say Hawaii. Such BS. What about the twins that were born in Hawaii with a different number on their birth certificate that caused Obama’s number to be out of numerical order. So many questions that are stil open on so many levels.


68 posted on 09/08/2016 2:11:35 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: EveningStar
Ben Carson is a Traitor

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

If there is extensive law written that covers election fraud, but it is impossible to enforce, or if a sufficient number of people agree that So-and-So is the President or Pope despite the law, how does that not utterly, completely destroy the entire notion of the Rule of Law itself? As I have said for years with regards to Obama, if you can’t enforce Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, what can you enforce? Can you enforce the border? Can you enforce citizenship? Equal protection? Search and seizure? Right to bear arms? Can you enforce the law against treason? Theft? Murder? Trafficking in body parts? Religious persecution?

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Not much information exists on why the Third Congress (under the lead of James Madison and the approval of George Washington) deleted "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790 when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1795. There is virtually no information on the subject because they probably realized that the First Congress committed errors when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and did not want to create a record of the errors.

It can be reasonably argued that Congress realized that under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power to make uniform laws on naturalization and that this power did not include the power to decide who is included or excluded from being a presidential Article II "natural born Citizen." While Congress has passed throughout United States history many statutes declaring who shall be considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth and thereby exempting such persons from having to be naturalized under naturalization laws, at no time except by way of the short-lived "natural born" phrase in Naturalization Act of 1790 did it ever declare these persons to be "natural born Citizens."

The uniform definition of "natural born Citizen" was already provided by the law of nations and was already settled. The Framers therefore saw no need nor did they give Congress the power to tinker with that definition. Believing that Congress was highly vulnerable to foreign influence and intrigue, the Framers, who wanted to keep such influence out of the presidency, did not trust Congress when it came to who would be President, and would not have given Congress the power to decide who shall be President by allowing it to define what an Article II "natural born Citizen " is.

Additionally, the 1790 act was a naturalization act. How could a naturalization act make anyone an Article II "natural born Citizen?" After all, a "natural born Citizen" was made by nature at the time of birth and could not be so made by any law of man.

Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses

Harvard Law Review Article FAILS to Establish Ted Cruz as Natural Born Citizen

Watch: Mark Levin declares Ted Cruz a "Naturalized Citizen"

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

The settled law of the land is that the US President must be a natural born citizen, and that to be a natural born citizen, you must have been born in the United States to parents both of whom were US citizens when you were born.

You may disagree with the goal of the Constitutional Convention, and/or with the means they chose to achieve it. But it's not a technicality, not an anachronism no longer relevant in modern times, nor is it racist. Especially in modern times, it enables persons of any race or ethnic heritage to become President. And it's what the Constitution requires.

You may also disagree with binding precedent regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" as established in Minor. But in our system, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, are the "supreme law of the land." And if one faction gets to disregard the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court because they disagree, then that sets a precedent where all other factions can do the same.

Any Argument Against the Natural Law Definition of "Natural Born Citizen" Can easily be Defeated Here

69 posted on 09/08/2016 2:13:14 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: EveningStar

When Bacack Obama produces a valid birth certificate, with foot prints and all, then should Donald Trump apologize.

Obama was born in Kenya like his grandmother has said. He does not have a birth certificate from the United States validating his birth. There is the reason you have not seen a birth certificate.


70 posted on 09/08/2016 2:13:48 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent (EEe)
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To: Talisker

LOL I forgot about that.


71 posted on 09/08/2016 2:14:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: dsc

“A forgery.”

Agreed. I will never drop this argument. I don’t care how I sully the name of those who want to fight him.

I never understood the charge to not talk about it among our own political party. I don’t understand why even some here at FR said “Forget about it. This is something that won’t make a difference”

No. I’m tired of Liberals, Progressives and Communists. They are ruining my country and if he says he takes his coffee black and we find out he takes it light and sweet then I wont’ drop that either.

They are the enemy. It’s time to treat them as such. After what they did to Sarah Palin, I give them no quarter anymore. None.


72 posted on 09/08/2016 2:14:41 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: EveningStar

The founders tried to prevent this.
They put the natural born citizen requirement in there.

Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama should be proof enough of the wisdom of the founders when they tried to prevent him from being President by requiring someone who could only be a US citizen and nothing else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Naturally a US citizen because there is no other possibility.
One cannot be anything else and also be a natural born citizen.

Obama told us he was born a British Subject.

Who believes Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jay, Monroe, Madison, etc. would have found him to be a natural born citizen?

Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009, happened with the complete cooperation of both parties.
They want the Constitution changed without the hassle of amending the Constitution.
Confuse people about the clear meaning of a three word phrase and voila, every anchor baby and Winston Churchill is eligible.

The bench was the reason the GOP went along with the fig leaf resolution for McCain that was used by the Democrats as cover for Obama.
Jindal, Rubio, Haley and Cruz were all up and comers and the future of the party and ineligible.


73 posted on 09/08/2016 2:16:09 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
"What would be a good idea would be for Trump to point out (with specifics) that Hillary was the first to suggest that Obama might not have been born in this country during the 2008 campaign...."

An even better idea would be for Trump to mention the United States Supreme Court Cases which defined a natural born Citizen as one born in the country to Citizen parents.

74 posted on 09/08/2016 2:17:47 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: EveningStar

Go back to sleep Ben. You’re confused.


75 posted on 09/08/2016 2:18:21 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I’m sick and tired of foreigners wanting to run our country. Muslims too.


76 posted on 09/08/2016 2:18:43 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Does not matter where he was born if he had a foreign national father.
One can only be a natural born citizen if one is born here of citizen parents.
Foreign national parent(s) bequeath foreign citizenship(s)


77 posted on 09/08/2016 2:19:00 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: Crucial

“Since no one is above the law”.

In what country?


78 posted on 09/08/2016 2:19:16 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: maggief

BAM! There it is!

You win the prize for being first.


79 posted on 09/08/2016 2:23:00 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: EveningStar

I for one am hoping that if Trump gets in then a certain investigation in Arizona is going to finally see the light of day.


80 posted on 09/08/2016 2:39:17 PM PDT by Revel
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