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To: grey_whiskers
Not exactly...on this topic

You are correct. It is my personal observation of you, and your tactics.

H1-Bs are not used in factory labor anyway, but in software; the H1-B phenomenon started around 2001, and was a flood by 2005, long before Tesla's recent factory, and even the union factory rate is less than the typical H1-B software salary.

For H-1B visas, the regulations define a "specialty occupation" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor's degree or its equivalent as a minimum (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability"). Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor's degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer.

You didn't read it all obviously, or perhaps your comprehension level is as shallow as your Christianity & conservatism.

Go away little person. You do not even know what is encompassed by the H-1B visa program. I cannot intelligently communicate with someone who cannot see connections, even when presented with them. It wasn't about H-1B visas, but unions. Just for the record I have been in the software field for 36+ years, so I know exactly when it started and when it started to explode. You are no telling me anything I did not already know.

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

When I find myself in one I will, but in the meantime you need to follow your own advice.

Stop throwing worse arguments after bad, please...

Since you said please, here's some advice back at you, quit thinking you know it all. Because you don't. I already know I don't, but then again I do not present myself as a know-it-all.

112 posted on 03/18/2017 12:58:58 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
You are correct. It is my personal observation of you, and your tactics.

For H-1B visas, the regulations define a "specialty occupation" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor including but not limited to biotechnology, chemistry, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor's degree or its equivalent as a minimum (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability"). Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor's degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer.

None of this contradicts my observation, that H1-B visas are not used in factories: therefore, your cited article about the (threatened) Unionization of the Tesla Factory as a putative rationale for H1-Bs in Silicon Valley -- which YOU came up with, fails even by your own definition.

So it is not my comprehension which is lacking, but, as I pointed out at the beginning, your honesty...you are fulfilling two ...no, all three of Vox Day's observations of Social Justice Warriors.

1) Social Justice Warriors always lie. Originally asserted by me, now confirmed.

2) Social Justice Warriors always project...in this case, projecting your own ignorance of the H1-B practice onto me.

This is and was an H1-B thread (check the title). You defended H1-Bs as a natural response to the threat of rising labour costs. When I called you out as a liar, you attacked my character in general and attempted to change the subject to Unions.

3) Social Justice Warriors always double down: in this case, by your subsequent remarks to me.

When you got BTFO on that, you attempted to introduce an article about attempted unionization of a manufacturing factory as "proof".

When you got BTFO, you doubled down on your attacks and called ME ignorant, when you were the one who introduced a blatant, naked non-sequitur to the thread.

...incidentally, leaving entirely unaddressed, the proof that the H1-B visa phenomenon is NOT driven by existing high labour costs, as your original contention stated.

113 posted on 03/18/2017 2:29:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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