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Obama: God-Given Rights 'Was a Radical Idea'
Cybercast News Service ^ | September 21, 2016 | 6:12 AM EDT | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 09/21/2016 9:09:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

Bull crap you limp-wristed, jug-eared moron... it was not a radical idea idea you POS, it was a GENERALLY ACCEPTED FACT of are Founding Fathers. This POS can not be gone fast enough...


21 posted on 09/21/2016 9:42:24 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: Olog-hai

Barack’s point is not that it was the best idea, only that it was “radical.”


22 posted on 09/21/2016 9:52:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

So it’s Allah given rights that provides for the right of head lopping, cuting people into 2 with chainsaws, using shark tanks to drown Christians, throwing people off roofs, raping women and children, destroying religious sites, hanging children in front of buildings or using them to detonate themselves, etc....yada yada, right?


23 posted on 09/21/2016 9:52:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Common Sense 101

Well apparently it wasn’t “generally accepted” enough for ole King George.


24 posted on 09/21/2016 9:53:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Only if Plato and Nimrod are considered non-radical and King David radical.


25 posted on 09/21/2016 9:53:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

obama can go to hell and carry Bill Clinton under one arm with him And carry Hillary Clinton under the other arm with him.


26 posted on 09/21/2016 9:55:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: NormsRevenge

This MFcker is going to try and remove every one of our constitutional right befo he leaves. That or he’s trying hard to get people to kill him so he can declare martial law. Boot him out as soon as possible. You know he’s enjoyed every second of continuously antagonizing the white man while in office.


27 posted on 09/21/2016 9:55:42 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
< Heck.. I am surprised he even admitted that “God” might exist at all!

Satan knows that God exists.

28 posted on 09/21/2016 9:56:40 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Lera
> Obama fails on all counts expect causing mischief. Causing mischief is the only thing he does not fail at. He excels at it.

It's one of Satan's best skill sets.

29 posted on 09/21/2016 9:58:11 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: heterosupremacist
It wasn't a "radical" idea.. .however, it was unprecedented (thus, "exceptional") to be implemented in forming governance. . .especially the notion that governing power is derived from the people by their consent. . .which is what the Constitution represents. . .WE THE PEOPLE distribute and organize our powers (and reserve a portion to the states and to ourselves)

What is unusual, is for Obama, a stone-cold Progressive, to give credence to the idea that our rights come from God. Progressives HATE this idea above all. . .and in the early 20th century. . Progressives openly were critical of this very assertion. . .such as Woodrow Wilson's famous "repeat the Declaration but remove the preface" quote to the Jefferson Club of Los Angeles.

At Obama's UN speech. . .his Progressive faith seemed to be restored and on full display. . .There he says that Americans must give up some of their freedoms to ensure global security or something to that effect. The question for Obama. . how do we give up rights (and by who's decree) that were endowed to us by God?

30 posted on 09/21/2016 10:00:45 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Olog-hai

DemocRats only believe in government-given “rights” such as the right to food, shelter, and medical care, not to mention broadband Internet and cell phones. They also believe that other people can be made to labor to provide those rights.


31 posted on 09/21/2016 10:06:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: Olog-hai

I can’t wait until that POS leaves the WH.


32 posted on 09/21/2016 10:07:56 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: Olog-hai
Plato was a socialist.

Nimrod was "Might makes Right".

Neither of these view points were radical in their day.

And Israel was warned against kings because they would trample on their rights. Which they all, including David, proceeded to do.

33 posted on 09/21/2016 10:11:21 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Those were radical ideas in their day, since in Nimrod’s case (another socialist, cramming people into cities to be subjected to iron-fisted thought-controlling autocratic rule) it was the first manifestation of post-diluvian open rebellion against God.

Many traditions in addition to the Bible speak on this, especially the traditions of Shem and his long battles against this radicalism (including killing Nimrod), and the post-Tower continuation of the radicalism all the way down to Plato’s time and beyond.
34 posted on 09/21/2016 10:19:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: heterosupremacist

Was this a copy/paste of someone else, or were you just posting extemporaneously?

If it is the ladder, color me impressed!

deontological - I had to look that one up. I like it.


35 posted on 09/21/2016 10:29:49 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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Re: Post #35 ~ Was this a copy/paste of someone else, or were you just posting extemporaneously? ~

I copied it from my notes for a never to be published memoir ~ glad you liked it...


36 posted on 09/21/2016 10:34:46 AM PDT by heterosupremacist ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: Exeter

Exactly why atheists, nor communists, nor muslims were not allowed to hold office or be on courts for hundreds of years. They would not uphold our Natural Rights from God.

That is what we see in SCOTUS-—a bunch of Marxists (atheists) who have literally kicked God out of our Constitution, which destroys the whole document. It flips our Rule of Law for Rule of Man (oligarchy).

It is all unconstitutional-—but what the hey!


37 posted on 09/21/2016 10:35:33 AM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: jurroppi1

latter, not ladder...


38 posted on 09/21/2016 10:35:34 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: Olog-hai

The following excerpted portions of John Quincy Adams’ “Jubilee Address” may add to this discussion. The entire address, wherein Adams outlines the process by which we became a constitutional republic may be read on line at http://lonang.com/library/reference/jqadams-jubilee-constitution-1839/:

The Jubilee of the Constitution

A DISCOURSE

Delivered at the Request of

The New York Historical Society

In the City of New York,

On Tuesday, the 30th of April, 1839

Being the Fiftieth Anniversary

Of the

INAUGURATION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON

as

President of the United States

on Thursday, 30th of April, 1789.

by

John Quincy Adams

(Eldest son of John Adams, born in 1767, served as Minister to the Netherlands under President Washington, as minister to Prussia and to Russia, as Secretary of State, and as U.S. Senator. He was the Sixth President of the United States and from 1830 until his death in 1848 was a United States Congressman)

Excerpts:

“The motive for the Declaration of Independence was on its face avowed to be “a decent respect for the opinions of mankind.” Its purpose to declare the causes which impelled the people of the English colonies on the continent of North America, to separate themselves from the political community of the British nation. They declare only, the causes of their separation, but they announce at the same time their assumption of the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, among the powers of the earth.

“Thus their first movement is to recognize and appeal to the laws of nature and to nature’s God, for their right to assume the attributes of sovereign power as an independent nation.

“The causes of their necessary separation, for they begin and end by declaring it necessary, alleged in the Declaration, are all founded on the same laws of nature and of nature’s God - and hence as preliminary to the enumeration of the causes of separation, they set forth as self-evident truths, the rights of individual man, by the laws of nature and of nature’s God, to life, to liberty, to the pursuit of happiness. That all men are created equal. That to secure the rights of life, liberty and the pursuits of happiness, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. All this is by the laws of nature and of nature’s God, and of course presupposes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and of government. It avers, also, that governments are instituted to secure these rights of nature and of nature’s God, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of THE PEOPLE to alter, or to abolish it, and to institute a new government - to throw off a government degenerating into despotism, and to provide new guards for their future security. They proceed then to say that such was then the situation of the Colonies, and such the necessity which constrained them to alter their former systems of government.”

____________________

“The Declaration of Independence recognized the European law of nations, as practiced among Christian nations, to be that by which they considered themselves bound, and of which they claimed the rights. This system is founded upon the principle, that the state of nature between men and between nations, is a state of peace. But there was a Mahometan law of nations, which considered the state of nature as a state of war - an Asiatic law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the territories of the state - a colonial law of nations, which excluded all foreigners from admission within the colonies - and a savage Indian law of nations, by which the Indian tribes within the bounds of the United States, were under their protection, though in a condition of undefined dependence upon the governments of the separate states. With all these different communities, the relations of the United States were from the time when they had become an independent nation, variously modified according to the operation of those various laws. It was the purpose of the Constitution of the United States to establish justice over them all.

“The commercial and political relations of the Union with the Christian European nations, were principally with Great Britain, France, and Spain, and considerably with the Netherlands and Portugal. With all these there was peace; but with Britain and Spain, controversies involving the deepest interests and the very existence of the nation, were fermenting, and negotiations of the most humiliating character were pending, from which the helpless imbecility of the confederation afforded no prospect of relief. With the other European states there was scarcely any intercourse. The Baltic was an unknown sea to our navigators, and all the rich and classical regions of the Mediterranean were interdicted to the commercial enterprise of our merchants, and the dauntless skill of our mariners, by the Mahometan merciless warfare of the Barbary powers. Scarcely had the peace of our independence been concluded, when three of our merchant-vessels had been captured by the corsairs of Algiers, and their crews, citizens of the Union, had been pining for years in slavery, appealing to their country for redemption, in vain. Nor was this all. By the operation of this state of things, all the shores of the Black sea, of the whole Mediterranean, of the islands on the African coast, of the southern ports of France, of all Spain and of Portugal, were closed against our commerce, as if they had been hermetically sealed; while Britain, everywhere our rival and competitor was counteracting by every stimulant within her power every attempt on our part to compound by tribute with the Barbarian for peace.

“Great Britain had also excluded us from all commerce in our own vessels with her colonies, and France, notwithstanding her alliance with us during the war, had after the conclusion of the peace adopted the same policy. She was jealous of our aggrandizement, fearful of our principles, linked with Spain in the project of debarring us from the navigation of the Mississippi, and settled in the determination to shackle us in the development of the gigantic powers which, with insidious sagacity, she foresaw might be abused.

“Notwithstanding all these discouragements, the inextinguishable spirit of freedom, which had carried your forefathers through the exterminating war of the Revolution, was yet unsuppressed. At the very time when the nerveless confederacy could neither protect nor redeem their sailors from Algerian captivity, the floating city of the Taho beheld the stripes and stars of the Union, opening to the breeze from a schooner of thirty tons, and inquired where was the ship of which that frail fabric was doubtless the tender. The Southern ocean was stiff vexed with the harpoons of their whalemen; but Britain excluded their oil, by prohibitory duties and the navigation act, from her markets, and the more indulgent liberality of France would consent to the illumination of her cities by the quakers of Nantucket, only upon condition that they should forsake their native island, and become the naturalized denizens of Dunkirk.

“In the same year, when the Convention at Philadelphia was occupied in preparing the Constitution of the United States for the consideration of the people, two vessels, called the Columbia and the Washington, fitted out by a company of merchants at Boston, sailed upon a voyage combining the circumnavigation of the globe, discovery upon the shores of the Pacific ocean, and the trade with the savages of the Sandwich islands, and with the celestial empire of China, all in one undertaking. The result of this voyage was the discovery of the Columbia river, so named from the ship which first entered within her capes, since unjustly confounded with the fabulous Oregon or river of the West, but really securing to the United States the right of prior discovery, and laying the foundation of the right of extension of our territory from the Atlantic to the Pacific ocean.”


39 posted on 09/21/2016 10:37:19 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“Obama: God-Given Rights ‘Was a Radical Idea’
Actually it was a radical idea.
As was the idea that the government should serve the people rather then the people serve the government. “

Even leaving beliefs behind, the picture is/was the STATES created the Feds, and are Not subjects thereof !!


40 posted on 09/21/2016 10:49:50 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long)
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