More than 2,000 veterans expected to form human shield at ND pipeline protest

Grand Forks Herald ^ | 11/30/2016 | Terray Sylvester/Reuters

[ROCKLOBSTER]

These ‘veterans’ do not speak for me.

Those veterans are probably Indians.

[dynoman]

Yes DAPL is running crossing the river through an existing utility corridor. There is a pipeline and power line through the same corridor. The pipeline is done except for the river crossing. The protest’s fatal flaw is using oil products to protest oil. And the tribal chairman owns a gas station and is making a ton of money selling gas to protesters.

We flew into Bismarck last Friday from Denver. Two protesters sat ahead of us and were talking loud about the protest. When we got close I started talking loud to my wife “Let’s look for that pipeline”. They said yes lets look! When we saw it I continued talking loud as if I thought they couldn’t hear me, look! it’s running through an existing utility corridor. You could see the blinking lights of the power line towers at the river’s edge. I said how hypocritical it was to use oil products to protest oil, David Archambault’s gas station sales. I said “look it’s done up to the river, in a couple years no-one will know it’s there”. I laid it on thick. It got real quiet in the seat ahead of us.

Then we got two feet of snow we got this week. Ha Ha.

[dynoman]

There’s a lie in there somewhere. Just a matter of finding it.

[marron]

People who don’t know anything about how things work tend to be superstitious. So its easy to get them wound up, it makes them the perfect mob and cannon fodder.

There is something like a million miles of pipeline in the US, and a lot of it is already criss-crossing North Dakota. Once its built and in the ground you won’t see it. If it breaks you fix it. This is not rocket science, its every-day maintenance. Pipelines are way cheaper and way cleaner than hauling your oil in rail cars and tanker ships.

One of the most important things we need to accomplish is achieve energy independence. The Saudis won’t like it, Warren Buffet won’t like it, the hippies won’t like it, and the politicians in their pocket won’t like it. And in the world we live in now, if they can’t stop it legally, they’ll deploy their mobs to do it. Luckily we know a lot more about how mobs are deployed than we did in the past.

[dynoman]

Protest is one thing. Illegally blocking roads, city streets, damaging bridges in a way that closes highway 1806, killing and butchering privately owned livestock, trespassing on private land, creating a humanitarian crisis with a tent city during a ND blizzard with two feet of snow - all that is feral human activity - NOT protest.

[showme_the_Glory]

Shame these vets have nothing better to do.

[scenicsoap]

I had not heard that the tribal chairman owns a gas station, how interesting! Last week I learned that the tribal chairman’s sister is/was a long time advisor to Obama, her last name is hyphenated, Archambault-Gillespie, and that last year Obama visited the standing rock reservation. Community organizing I would guess.

[piasa]

They claimed it was a burial ground, which it is not.

They claimed it was theirs, but only after finding out there is money in protesting a pipeline. They made no claim on the land when it was sold.

They imply the whole tribe is of one mind on this, not sure if that is true at all.

Funny thing is, they have no problem with wind farms on “sacred burial grounds” because there are wind farms around them. Maybe they can call that sacred humming and vibration to keep the dead dancing.

[ChessExpert]

Thanks.

The map of the entire pipeline shows that the contested portion of the pipeline are minuscule compared to the entire project. Are Indians holding up the entire project in order to extort money?

Superficially, it may seem scary to send a pipeline under, over, or alongside, a river. However, I imagine that this is done all the time. Rivers can be a hard thing to avoid!

There are pipeline issues, but they should be settled in court. In the absence of a pipeline, rail cars are used. Rail is more expensive and probably less safe.

A few years ago, Huntsville AL nixed the nearby route of a proposed pipeline. I understand the “not in my backyard” attitude. But pipelines, like highways and railroads, have to go in someone’s backyard.

I don’t see protest camps as being a valid way to resolve these issues.

[HLPhat]

How many frozen poodles fit in an Iconic 1955 vintage ice tray anyhow?

Hello Craigslist Community,
My name is David O'Neill and I am offering a once in a lifetime opportunity to come share your support for the Water Protectors at the Sacred Stone Camp in North Dakota. I have a 1955 school bus what has been converted into an RV that we will be driving and if possible we will be arranging a second vehicle to accommodate more people. We are currently raising money for supplies which we will donate to the Water Protectors in North Dakota. Our goal is to arrive with a large number of passionate persons to stand in solidarity with Standing Rock. We will also require that individuals contribute to the gas and food fund. Please note that this is a one-way ride!! I will be staying at the protests for as long as they continue and then I will likely head on in another direction. Also, in an effort to make bunks available to the Water Protectors who need it most, everyone must have made their own sleeping arrangements for once we arrive in North Dakota. It will be very cold so be sure to have a 4 season tent or yurt and a subzero sleeping bag. If you are interested in donating to the cause please feel free to call or text me.

https://eugene.craigslist.org/rid/5855334477.html

[piasa]

There was a Comanche woman who claimed to speak for Natives Americans in a case where a museum was going to be built; she raised hell until someone bribed her with a minivan and then it was OK to bulldoze ... even though the site had zero to do with Comanches, she kept her end of the deal and prevented Indian activists of all types away from protesting. In her otter fur hat she looks Indian enough but without it she just looks like a typical politician.

Then at another historic site the family pulled the same act, this time one of her boys making a big scene by jumping into the museum exhibit with a shovel to “rebury” bones that were exposed in a dig. In the process he destroyed a burial or two, tossing the bones into another pile by the shovel full until he too was paid off. Some reverence.

So I am pretty cautious about assuming they’re always put upon if the leftwing loon professional agitators are involved instead of true grass roots.

[piasa]

There are apparently a bunch of wind farms.

[UCANSEE2]

The concern is that if the pipe breaks the drinking water would get fouled.

AND, this new pipeline will but put in place ALONGSIDE an ALREADY EXISTING PIPELINE.

[HLPhat]

>>This is...

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=watermelon+environmentalism+Gus+Hall

Hall, Comrade Gus Hall, please come to the Red and Green paging phone... your ripened fruit is calling.

[vpintheak]

Proving once again that just because you are a veteran, it doesn’t make you somehow have a “better” opinion than another person. Veterans get duped into a whole lot of things.
Veteran speaking here.

[piasa]

And in spite of those connections the unemployment rate for the tribe couldn’t be higher.

[Rannug]

“Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he don’t answer anymore, not the whiskey drinkin Indian or the Marine who went to war”-

Johnny Cash “Ballad of Ira Hayes” (1964)

Ira Hayes helped raise the flag at Iwo Jima.....

One of my two heroes.

“There but for the grace of God, go I.”

[Nextrush]

There’s a Native American core to this protest, then the other folks like Lefties, FBI informants, crazy folks who show up.

Compared to the dozens at the Oregon Standoff site early this year, you have hundreds at least permanently in the camp who have been told to leave or face eviction.

Thousands move in and out.

See the protest Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/CampOfTheSacredStone

[Fightin Whitey]

The oil is already crossing the Missouri River on oil trains

There are already at least eight pipelines that cross under the Missouri River.

The whole thing is a silly stunt, a diversion, supported by the sadsack tribal leadership because Standing Rock Reservation at this point is in worse shape economically than most any Third World country.

Unlike other North Dakota tribes they don't have any oil under their lands, and this makes them see, um, red.

[Quickgun]

Probably won’t be many protesters left come January 20. A couple of good North Dakota blizzards between now and then will greatly reduce the importance of bullsh!t protests.