Posted on 12/01/2016 5:31:14 AM PST by Kaslin
Yes, and it was not a good thing to do. In any culture there is a greedy, power hungry bunch. To single out Jews is wrong. This thread is directed toward Jews that do not support a healthy America. So to them I hesitate to mince my words. Appreciate your comments.
“American Jews”
They are not Jews. They are American Secularists, no matter what anyone says about “observing holidays” or any other nonsense.
The real Jews are the non-secularists, the ones who beat back the Arabs in the Muslim attempt to drive them into the sea.
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The ones who arm themselves and stand up for themselves at every turn, who observe the ten commandments and not the commandments of political correctness.
The “American Jews” and the “Christians” who take rank with them in the Democrat party are the party of absolute power.
(They’re all hiding behind someone else’s faith in order to spread cache on spiritual rot.)
IMHO
I appreciate your responce. I am Jewish myself from the former Soviet Union and I heard those words too many a time. I, myself, am mad that the US Jews predominantly vote dems. They are spoiled brats and have not experience life of Jew outside this G-d Blessed Country. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
You do know that the Israelis who beat back the Arabs were secular, even socialists? You might want to check up on the history of the secular nationalist, largely socialist movenent of Zionism.
Historically (even today) criticism of Zionism as a secular ideology comes from ‘ultra orthodox’ Rabbis. The religious Zionism was a minority that only in the recent 30 years grew to it’s present significance.
Israel today is a society torn between a secular (parts very strongly so) population and a growing ultra-religious population (a number of which ideologically are not Zionist).
The ‘Torah-clingers’ haredi Jews notoriously are criticized in Israel for being (largely) draft dodgers.
Thank you. A blessed Christmas to you and yours. I do highly respect a Jewish carpenter...
Genius borders on Insanity?
Self loathing?
Self Guilt?
I’ve read that the Jews in Germany were Socialists but were told to ignore Hitler’s rhetoric, he just needed that for votes.
For the life of me I have no clue?-)
“You might want to check up on the history of the secular nationalist, largely socialist movement....”
Will do, but still trying to wrap my head around the concept of a “Secular Jew”.
It’s like trying to reconcile that there Christians who are “Pro Choice”, who still call themselves Christians.
One is either pregnant, or one is not.
Just saying.
IMHO
Yeah JINOs.
Just another RAT atheist social club.
” For many of these liberal Jews, they are slowly waking up to a new reality of losing their political clout”
Ironically this is the best thing that could happen for Israel.
It’s the despising that’s the real problem. It can’t be hidden any more.
There’s no going back.
It definitely came out openly, certainly cost them the election, and yet some of the lib talking heads are pushing ahead with it.
Deplorables and superpredators, unite!
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Most Excellent!
It is simply Reagan era 2.0.
Before that I was talking about the earthly matters of power, money and politics. You brought in the Bible. We can leave it out again.
No we cannot. There is ultimately no such thing as a secular moral code, secular ethics, or secular politics. There is only G-d. The only reason murder is wrong is because G-d said so. The only reason homosexuality is wrong is because G-d said so. The only reason the world exists is because of G-d. The only reason you will be drawing your next breath is because of G-d. You can't put Him in a little box labeled "religion" and tuck him away under the bed while you deal with the "real world." Ultimately Communism is wrong only because it is a non-Theistically based moral system. All non-Theistically based moral systems are illegitimate, regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum. This includes right wing racialists, civilizationists, and skull-measurers as well as Marxists and liberals. This whole fight is about G-d. If you don't recognize that, what are you doing here? You should be at some atheist forum somewhere.
I assumed you to be Jewish. Ok you are apparently an ardent Christian Zionist. Fair enough.
You aren't paying attention. I haven't been a chrstian for over a quarter of a century. I suggest you look up "Noahides" on Wikipedia.
Yes I am against any national or religious minority trying to yield influence over politics of a country they are not the majority of.
Like Greeks and Armenians?
Especially when serving foreign interests.
Like Greece or Armenia? Or Ireland? Or Rhodesia, which was founded by Cecil Rhodes, an "Insider" who was "secretly behind Communism???" No, come on, you're not telling the truth. You're against one and only one minority.
Individuals of any group should participate in politics - but don’t try to usurp power and cram down a foreign agenda down the majority’s throat.
First of all, Biblical sentimentalism isn't a foreign ideology. Second, the majority of Americans support Israel, for that very reason. Again, we didn't grow up reading about Charlemagne. We grew up reading about Joshua, Caleb, Jephthah, Jabez, etc. You ain't in Europe any more, Toto.
As for your disdain for Christian Armenians and Greeks... that’s torally in line with traditional Jewish hatred for Armenians as ‘Amalekites’
Are you aware that it is a Divine commandment that `Amaleq is to be utterly exterminated? You're gonna hafta join the American Civil Liberties Union to protect them from the big, bad, tyrant in the sky, aren't you?
and a grudge against ‘Hellenes’ and ‘Byzantines’ (see Jewish massacres of heathen Greeks during ‘Kitos war’).
Ah, so now you're sympathizing with heathens! Is that a christian thing to do? Perhaps you consider Yehoshu`a Bin Nun to be a merciless Communist and his Divinely-mandated war against the Canaanites to be unjust? Why don't you just come out and admit you're an atheist civilizationist while you're at it?
Also see the role of Jews and Sabbatean crypto-Jews in the genocide of Armenians during the Ottoman Empire. Unsurprisingly certain Jews are at the forefront in denying the Armenian genocide and cover their buddies the Turks.
You have no idea who you're arguing with.
During my religious search, I actually spent a summer attending an Armenian Apostolic Church. The Armenian Church is just as ethnic and liberal as any Jews are (the priest handed out bumper stickers for a liberal Democrat Armenian after liturgy one week). They also traditionally have a hard-left pro-Soviet orientation which I know about first hand. The Catholicos-Patriarch at the time I attended liturgies was Vazken, who actually put out a statement on the anniversary of the Armenian genocide saying that only the Soviet Union assured that Armenians would survive and saying that no Armenians could be permitted to have the "wrong orientation" (ie, anti-Soviet). My, my. Seems like they were unaware that Communism was secretly run by Israel straight from Jerusalem (or maybe even Heaven, since you seem equally hostile to both).
Then there's the matter of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, a Soviet-sponsored Communist terrorist organization who fought, not for a restored independent Armenia in the western part of its historic homeland, but for annexation to the Soviet Union. Again, what were you saying about Jews and Communism??? And as has been pointed out here on FR, Armenian-American organizations actually endorsed Bernie Sanders for President! Isn't he one of those "Jewish Communists?" What are your holy sacred perfect chrstian Armenians doing endorsing such a person, huh?
And as for the Greeks--I believe I told you in a previous post that I was once a member of the John Birch Society--you know, as you apparently are now. The Birchites were at that time very pro-Turkish (Turkey was an ally against Russia) and anti-Armenian and anti-Greek. When Archbishop Makarios III died The Review of the News (a Birch magazine at the time) called him "Leftist leader of Greek Cypriots." The Birchites also claimed that it had been Turkish Cypriots, not Greeks, who were the victims of atrocities on Cyprus. And another headline (about liberal Greek-American John Brademas) was headlined "Grecophile in Congress." So why don't you tell me about those wonderful chrstian Greeks and Armenians, Birchite? It is your organization that changed its mind, not I. And do I have to remind you about the liberal Democrat orientation of almost all Greek-American politicians, or that the Greek Orthodox Archbishop supported your fellow atheist moralizer Martin Luther King?
No, you truly don't know who you're dealing with. Why don't you try telling me something I don't know for once?
As for ‘Reds’... you do know that tgere is no other ethnic group more involced in Communism than the Jews, right? Independent Armenia was defeated and conwuered by the Bolsheviks (where famously Jews were doninant) working hand in hand with the Turkish Nationaliat army (also supported by Jews).
As I said, tell me something I don't know. But you think this discredits the Election of Israel? All minorities everywhere are left wing. Blacks and Hispanics (supposed chrstians--with Blacks even being Fundamentalist Protestants!) have done more to secularize the United States than all the Jews in the world put together. The chrstian minority in the Middle East, caught between islam and Judaism, has been the historical supporters of Communism in that region (and even of Grand Orient Freemasonry). Nazareth had a Communist mayor for years because the chrstians traditionally voted Communist. And you can bet that the Communist party treated them like pets, carefully refraining from criticizing their religion just as they today exempt Blacks, Hispanics, moslems, and "indigenous pipples" from Marxist critique. This, btw, is why the churches support Communist dictatorships like Syria. The Communists of the Middle East protect the chrstians as a minority group.
And what about the decades long Maoist insurgency in India, run by chrstians? Or the fact that the Red China lobby was largely made up of the children of chrstian missionaries? Anything else you care to say about evil Communist Jews and those shining chrstian knights of yours? Or do you want to get back to bawling about poor idolatrous heathens again?
The nationalist Armenians fought for independence from Turkish and Soviet tyranny.
See above. Also, the Dashnaks who were against the Soviet Armenian regime were still (like those awful Zionists) socialists. All the original nationalisms were left wing (from the Greek wars of independence to the Slavic, Scandinavian, and Balkan awakenings). To this day the "anti-Communist" Dashnaks are a member of the Socialist International (isn't that run by evil Jews???). Also, historically the Armenians preferred being part of the USSR to being at the mercy of the Turks so the Commies left their religion alone and didn't have to work very hard to keep them loyal. They also went out of their way to hire Armenians (and Jews) because both groups had been historically oppressed and knew they would be brutal in power. The Armenians were especially recruited to stick it to the chrstian Georgians (or are they crypto-Jews?).
To paint Armenians as ‘screaming Reds’ and ignoring the role of Jews in Communism shows that you need to polish your historical knowledge.
Lol! And yet I'm the one giving you the history lesson here! You thought I was some idiot who'd never been outside the Bible Belt and thought the Southern Baptist Convention had been in existence for two thousand years, didn't you?
But while we're on the subject of Jews and Communism, allow me to mention the elephant in the room: your beloved Palestine Liberation Organization. Run by Yasser Arafat (a Communist), as a front for the Soviet KGB (Communist), with the Romanian secret police (Communist) as the go-between. That old "Jewish Communist" Fidel Castro was supporting the PLO as early as 1965 and hosted them at the Tri-Continental Conference for Peace in 1966, and this was before the Six Day War! So do you want to tell me that Castro was "pro-Israel," that he didn't break relations with Israel until 1973, six years after most of the Communist bloc did? Yet lo and behold, he's hosting Arafat's men (and your heroes) in 1966!
So, you have to take one of two positions: the PLO was made up of white chrst'an pat'rot anti-Communists, or Arafat and all his buddies were secretly Jewish. Which one are you going to claim, buddy boy? It has to be one or the other!
Also I listened to international shortwave broadcasts back in the 70s and the Communist nations were every bit as against Zionism as you are. Unlike silly American Jewish liberals, they made no distinction whatsoever between Israel on the one hand and Rhodesia and South Africa on the other. So you want to tell me again how all those Black Communists in southern Africa were secretly working for the Israelis? I guess Arafat was as well, then, wasn't he?
As I said, I have been around the block. I have fought people like you for almost forty years. You are the bane of my existence. I signed up here over seventeen years ago when the place was crawling with avowed Nazis who used the names of notorious Nazis as screen names, just to oppose you guys. And I have done it and will continue to do so until I am (G-d forbid!) kicked off this site.
I know all about you. I know just exactly who and what you are. You're an atheist materialist who just happens to worship "Western Civilization" rather than Karl Marx, and to you both classical heathenism and chrstianity are the same thing--totems for White Western European Man, and nothing more. I can smell you from here. We are not strangers. We know one another very well, do we not?
Let me know when you can tell me something I don't already know. (Hint: Charedi anti-Zionism ain't it.)
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