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Red light cameras and the “anti-poverty” argument: Disproportionately issued to low income drivers.
Hotair ^ | 12/05/2016 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 12/05/2016 1:05:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In Rochester, New York, the mayor is making a controversial change to the city’s law enforcement strategy. Normally when we’re talking about crime here I’m dealing with murders, sexual assaults and all of the truly horrible things which unfortunately happen. This one, however, has to do with traffic violations. Wait! Don’t stop reading yet… there’s a point to be made here.

Mayor Lovely Warren is preparing to shut down the city’s system of automated red light cameras which record motorists running stop lights and are used to issue tickets. Her complaint isn’t that the cameras don’t work properly or are leading to tickets being incorrectly issued, but with the fact that the tickets are disproportionately issued to low income drivers. (Route Fifty)

One of the reasons to pull the plug that was cited by Mayor Lovely Warren isn’t often heard in the wide-ranging local government debate over automated traffic enforcement: Violations recorded by the red-light cameras can disproportionately impact areas with higher rates of poverty.

In Rochester, a study commissioned by the city found that there were more total red light violations in five ZIP codes that had the city’s highest rates of poverty.

“I am particularly concerned that too many of these tickets have been issued to people who can least afford to pay them, which is counterproductive to our efforts to reverse our city’s troubling rates of poverty,” Warren said in a statement. “I cannot, in good conscience, wage a fight against poverty while also imposing burdensome fines that that have a disproportionate impact on people living in poverty. That just doesn’t make sense.”

Let’s focus for a moment on the two reasons why this is crazy, no matter how well the headlines might play in social justice circles. The first one should be obvious… this is not a case of discrimination. While I generally disagree, you can at least somewhat sympathize with complaints about stop and frisk or “overly aggressive” policing which takes place in majority minority neighborhoods. There are human cops involved who have to make daily decisions about who to pursue and how to handle each encounter. If the numbers stack up too far on one demographic side of the scale you can justify asking if there is discrimination going on either by race, gender or economic status.

These are cameras. There are nearly fifty of them installed at busy intersections all over the city. They don’t have any magical software which checks to see how expensive the car is, how nice the driver’s clothes are, the color of their skin or any other indicators of economic status. If you run the red light it takes a picture and reports it. If there are more low income people getting tickets through this system it’s because there are more low income people blowing through traffic lights.

The second factor to consider is that these cameras actually work and produce results.

The Insurance Institute says flipping the switch on the program will likely cost lives. According to their studies, cities that ran with red-light cameras between 2010 and 2014 saw a 21 percent drop in the number of fatal red-light-running crashes, while those that turned their systems off saw a 30 percent increase.

David Goldenberg, a spokesman with the Traffic Safety Coalition, said there’s no question data shows red-light cameras make intersections safer.

“The data is absolutely conclusive that cameras made Rochester roads safer and data from around the country shows that red-light running crashes, injuries and even deaths per capita go up when the cameras get turned off,” he said.

What this story comes down to is yet another case of an elected official forgetting about the rule of law in the interest of some sort of social justice reform. I realize we’re just talking about traffic infractions here, but the fact is that the city (as with pretty much everywhere in the country) has those laws on the books for a reason. You either feel the law is valid and producing positive results for the citizens or you don’t. In this case the data makes it rather obvious. Reducing the number of people running through red lights saves lives. Poverty is a serious problem which needs to be addressed, but giving people a pass on breaking the law – at any level – isn’t solving the problem you’re going after.

By that logic the mayor should direct the police to stop prosecuting people for theft if they are poor because they needed it more. That’s not how this works, Madam Mayor. Your city spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this system and it worked to reduce traffic fatalities. Now you’re pulling the plug on that investment to score some political points.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lowincome; poverty; racistwarren; redlightcameras
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To: SeekAndFind

What is the purpose of a Red Light camera?

#1 Income to the convicted felons who bribe government officials to install them.

#2 Income to City, a smaller cut than the briber. But, of course, the bribes have to come out of his cut.

#3 Invasion of privacy of citizens. Unreasonable search is unreasonable search when it searches (photos) everyone, law abider and law breaker alike, with no reasonable suspicion that the law abider might be a law breaker.

#4 Overwhelming anecdotes of drivers doing stupid stuff to avoid getting caught.


61 posted on 12/05/2016 1:57:38 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: SeekAndFind
The studies that were local to us, and performed by a local college, showed that there was a (slight) decrease in fatalities - one, over the course of a year. Statistically insignificant, unless, I suppose, you were the extra single fatality.

There was, however, an enormous increase in PD and injury accidents - think, people jam on their brakes to avoid a ticket, thus causing an accident. Not fatal, but mostly completely avoidable by turning off the "helpful" cameras.

The town's answer was to throw out the data they didn't like, and hire a consultant who would provide them the answer that they wanted, thus ensuring the revenue stream would continue.

62 posted on 12/05/2016 1:57:46 PM PST by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a clear case of entrapment.

Haven’t democrats in the government been telling them that they don’t have to obey the laws?


63 posted on 12/05/2016 1:59:47 PM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: Responsibility2nd


64 posted on 12/05/2016 2:00:24 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: All

Get the joke?


65 posted on 12/05/2016 2:02:25 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

lololol

I saw that too!!!!

Looks like Lovely and Trayvon’s girlfriend (What was her name? Who cares. It doesn’t matter) are of the same ilk


66 posted on 12/05/2016 2:05:58 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: fishtank

I can’t read cursive.


67 posted on 12/05/2016 2:08:43 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

I can’t read cursive

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68 posted on 12/05/2016 2:10:11 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: trisham
Wow. Her name is cruelly ironic.

Yes, and most certainly not the truth. 😀

69 posted on 12/05/2016 2:13:54 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR CO, Retired)
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To: Mark17

:)


70 posted on 12/05/2016 2:14:27 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They SAY “low income” but what they REALLY mean is MEXICAN.


71 posted on 12/05/2016 2:18:35 PM PST by gaijin
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To: SeekAndFind
Disproportionately issued to low income drivers. They are set to edit out violations by Jags, Mercedes and Escalades...
72 posted on 12/05/2016 2:26:04 PM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Disproportionately issued to low income drivers.

They are set to edit out violations by Jags, Mercedes and Escalades...

73 posted on 12/05/2016 2:28:00 PM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t care for her reasoning, but I like getting rid of the cameras.


74 posted on 12/05/2016 2:31:18 PM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Persevero

Well stop running the RED lights.
YELLOW means slow down, caution, prepare to stop.
Not speed up and try to beat the RED.


75 posted on 12/05/2016 2:49:08 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t do the crime

If you can’t pay the fine


76 posted on 12/05/2016 2:52:02 PM PST by fella ("As this iiwas before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: 5th MEB

Old school:

Green means Go
Red means Stop
Yellow means go like he## ‘cause it’s gonna be red soon.


77 posted on 12/05/2016 2:52:29 PM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: spintreebob

You forgot reason #6. To be able to prove that the illegal who broadsided and killed my 18 year old son had a red light and my son had a green light.

We got a phone call from someone who was there and saw it all but were never able to find that guy again.

There were not any red light cameras in 1984 but I wish there had been.


78 posted on 12/05/2016 3:16:12 PM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: SeekAndFind
According to their studies, cities that ran with red-light cameras between 2010 and 2014 saw a 21 percent drop in the number of fatal red-light-running crashes, while those that turned their systems off saw a 30 percent increase.

an increase of 2 seconds to the yellow with a half-second where all lights are red will have the same effect. Obviously, this would not generate revenue, so it is seldom considered.

79 posted on 12/05/2016 3:28:42 PM PST by zeugma (I'm going to get fat from all this schadenfreude)
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To: dp0622
I told the cop, “I’m not going through the red light”.
She was pi##ed. I didn’t care.

The way the law reads in Texas, you could have been ticketed for not proceeding. It's a catch-22.

80 posted on 12/05/2016 3:33:42 PM PST by zeugma (I'm going to get fat from all this schadenfreude)
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