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Can Trump Push Islam towards Reform?
American Thinker ^ | December 5, 2016 | Jonathan F. Keiler

Posted on 12/05/2016 2:06:48 PM PST by Kaslin

The mainstream media and the Obama administration, like the media and governments in many Western countries, goes out of its way to excuse Islamist terror, and actively paints a picture of Muslims in the West victimized by supposed Islamophobia. This tendency is bolstered by the corresponding refusal to acknowledge Islamist terror for what it is, substituting euphemisms or generalities to cover what are clearly murderous acts done in the name of Islam. Most ludicrous of all, is the penchant -- particularly by Barack Obama -- to discourse theologically about the “religion of peace.” In fact, this refusal to accept reality not only excuses Islamist terror, but encourages it, and makes any reform within Islam next to impossible.

Take the recent example of the Muslim Ohio State attacker, Abdul Razak Artan. Artan blamed media for negative reports about Islam “…that put that picture in their heads…” which led to his insecurity at the university, a place where he was “…kind of scared….” Thus he rather neatly portrayed himself as a victim before attempting to murder a dozen people by running them over and knifing them. Artan’s victimized ideation was probably a fantasy since it is highly unlikely that at Ohio State he received anything but deference to his religious orientation, and explicit negative descriptions of Muslims in the American media are quite rare. More likely the mainstream media’s and the Obama administration’s false hysteria about supposed Islamophobia is what gave Artan the idea to paint himself as a victim.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: islam; muslimworld; radicalislam; trumpagenda; trumptransition
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To: Kaslin

No. Islam cannot be reformed. Any attempts to do so are apostasy under Islamic law, punishable by death.


41 posted on 12/05/2016 2:48:10 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: JudyinCanada

I know. It’s just that there seem to be more radical sects in this religion as well as more moderate ones. I don’t want any of them allowed in our country. Oddly enough, I lived next to a Berber muslim from Algeria for many years and he was a wonderful guy. He loathed muslims from Arab countries and blamed them for all the troubles.


42 posted on 12/05/2016 2:53:32 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
I love Mr. Trump but I doubt he can do that. Reform must come from within. Other than that, all we can do is keep them out of our country and keep an eye on the freaks already here.

General Sherman could have brought about reform of Islam, the same way he pacified the south and the indians.

The best we should hope for is no more nation building (Thanks Bush and Obama) and silly rules of engagement.

43 posted on 12/05/2016 2:58:47 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie

And strict immigration! No. More. Muslims. Or uneducated third world types who go straight to the dole.


44 posted on 12/05/2016 3:00:26 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: aquila48

Like build a nuclear bomb and intercontinental delivery system?


45 posted on 12/05/2016 3:01:14 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Kaslin

In order to reform Islam, the Koran has to be re-written.


46 posted on 12/05/2016 3:01:43 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA IS ALL THAT TRULY MATTERS)
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To: Kaslin

No.


47 posted on 12/05/2016 3:03:35 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dp0622

Jesus never did that. Totally opposite of that. Maybe that’s
why Islam may truly just be the Antichrist religion. No
human being should even want to follow the JIHAD religion of
death. Islam orders its followers to die for it. The
Christian religion is the only religion where its leader
DIED FOR US. I think Islam probably is the CHLOROS (GREEN)
HORSE in Revelation with DEATH & HELL following it.


48 posted on 12/05/2016 3:06:30 PM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: miss marmelstein
all we can do is keep them out of our countr

We might can but we won't.

49 posted on 12/05/2016 3:11:42 PM PST by itsahoot (Three words I don't want to hear, Comprehensive Immigration Reform.)
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To: metmom
Islam needs to be eradicated.

There is no reform.

I agree. There is NO reforming it. I see Muzzies here, but they don't cause any problems, since there is NO PC. They get little or no public support. They fear the people, not the other way around.

50 posted on 12/05/2016 3:18:58 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR CO, Retired)
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To: Kaslin

Extinction is the only way to be sure then im not sure we would be rid of it but that would be a start


51 posted on 12/05/2016 3:39:12 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Its a Joke friends)
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To: B4Ranch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmywzjdtRM

The majority of Muslim Refugees would rather be in Syria under Sharia Law than in America.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” Omar Ahmed, director of Council on American Islamic Relations.

"Where muslims are the minority, they are obsessed with minority rights. Where muslims are the majority, there are no minority rights."

ISLAM WAS BANNED FROM THE USA IN 1952: but Obama & the media don't want you to know that. The Immigration and Nationality Act that passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today.

Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States.

This law is being ignored by the White House. Islamic immigration to the U.S. is prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic. All Muslims who believe that the Koran is life's guiding principal also believe in total submission to islam & sharia law.

To all who claim that Islam is a religion, read the law again ... the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with ANY "organization" that advocates the overthrow of the U.S. government are prohibited.

Please cut, paste and share!

Nobody who believes in Sharia Law should be allowed into the US of A because their first belief is to destroy America. That is a fact whether they will say it out loud or keep it hidden from public view. Refugees / immigrants who have no desire to learn English are saying they don't want to assimilate into our culture. Islam is an especially scary culture / religion for females, young boys and farm animals.

Would you go to a country where the people made you nervous? Why do these Muslims come to America when they are offended that the women here wear short skirts and have their hair exposed for all to see? If our culture offends you, why do you want to raise your children here? I'll tell you why. Because you intend on taking over the control of this country, that's why!

How do you integrate an ideology that is convinced that non-Muslim political systems are evil into Europe? What explanatory videos will you use to admonish Ahmed from Syria that he shouldn’t set off bombs at the railway station even though his religion commands him to fight the infidels? Which job will you use to induce Abdul to abandon his fervent belief that everyone must live under Islamic law?

Islamic Sharia law goes beyond Islamic terror group ISIS, and the problem of “massive migration by an assimilation-resistant Sharia supremacist culture” will ensure radicalization for years to come. The problem with mass immigration from sharia enclaves is not merely that trained terrorists may infiltrate the immigrant population. It is that sharia-adherent, assimilation-resistant Muslims will form sharia enclaves in the U.S., as they have throughout Europe, where young Muslims will be “radicalized” under our noses in the years to come.

53 posted on 12/05/2016 3:55:25 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conservatives own 200,000,000 guns and a trillion rounds of ammo. If we were violent you'd know it.)
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To: Kaslin

Einstein said that if he were given one hour to solve a problem, he would spend 55 minutes defining the problem. Knowing what the problem really is, allows for its quick solution.

At issue today is that everyone is spending 59 minutes and 30 seconds providing solutions with little or no time spent on understanding and defining the problem. (Forum members excluded)

Have you ever noticed that the people-in-the-know that are quick to call you Islamophobic have not studied Islam at all?


54 posted on 12/05/2016 3:57:34 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio
Those you speak of don't even understand what a phobia is. 😃
55 posted on 12/05/2016 4:02:39 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: Kaslin

No.


56 posted on 12/05/2016 4:03:46 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Kaslin

Just by pushing energy development here so we don’t fund their religious donations to terrorist groups forces reform by Muslim nations.


57 posted on 12/05/2016 4:06:44 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Kaslin

You can not reform a religion that is following the words in their “holy book”. You can destroy that religion but not reform it. This stupid islam needs a reformation meme has not studied what was the cause of the Christian reformation or islam itself and why that would be impossible.


58 posted on 12/05/2016 4:25:12 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Kaslin

Any so-called “reformed Islam” would no longer be Islam.

So no, he can’t.


59 posted on 12/05/2016 4:33:27 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: All
Here's what Gen Michael Flynn has to say on the subject of the reform of islam:

Finally, a call for religious reformation in the Islamic religion was expressed in an incredibly brave and bold speech by the leader of Egypt, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, on New Year’s Day 2015. President Sisi has been a vocal supporter of a renewed vision of Islam and he is one who should be internationally admired and respected for his intellectual courage in this call for a reformation of the Islamic religion.

Speaking before Al-Azhar (the scholarly center of Sunni Islam) and the Awqaf Ministry of religious affairs, he made what must be described as the most forceful and impassioned plea by a Muslim world leader to date on the subject of Islamic reformation. Among the many vital points he addressed, he said that the “corpus of [Islamic] texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries” are “antagonizing the entire world”; that it is not “possible that 1.6 billion Muslim people should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live”; and that Egypt (or the Islamic world in its entirety) “is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.”

Other relevant excerpts from President Sisi’s speech that should drive the rest of the Islamic world (religious and secular) to seriously consider and act on his words:

I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facing—and I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible! That thinking—I am not saying “religion” but “thinking”—that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It’s antagonizing the entire world! I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now. All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mind-set. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective. I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move … because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands. (www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/01/01/egypts-sisi-islamic-thinking-is-antagonizing-the-entire-world/)

60 posted on 12/05/2016 4:55:47 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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