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To: faithhopecharity
The Federal Courts do not have nor have they claimed to have, jurisdiction in this matter. The Federal District Judge made it clear he was not ruling on the merits. He was simply directing the recount to proceed as a procedural matter to insure that it could finish in time if it was valid.

The Circuit Court above him ruled he could do that. But they also did not rule on the merits of Stein/Clinton/Soros' petition.

The recount is now invalid. The District Judge can refuse to dissolve his order, but it is meaningless for him to do that, because whatever the recount comes up with MEANS NOTHING. It is as of this moment an unlawful exercise, and it cannot change the outcome of MI's results from November 8th.

The only hope Stein/Clinton/Soros now have is that the MI Supreme Court will overturn the MI Appeals Court. That's all. There is nothing that the US District Court, the US Circuit Court, or any other US jurist can do to make this a valid recount at this point.

67 posted on 12/06/2016 8:15:34 PM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: FredZarguna
The Federal Courts do not have nor have they claimed to have, jurisdiction in this matter.

But that was the entire point of Stein filing on a Sunday to change the date. It was not about changing the date. It was about getting a fed ruling on the recount. And don't you think she had this guy in her back pocket?

I give up on non-Michigan people. All the MI posters get this charade, time and time again.

The rest of you are like, oh it will all be over soon. But those of us here see it differently.

73 posted on 12/06/2016 8:34:12 PM PST by MarMema ("you can't make up...a constitutional right to a recount" Beloved Mi AG Bill Schuette)
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To: FredZarguna

That’s 98 percent what I figured. (I still wonder what basis a fed court could have to issue a valid “procedural” ruling that is both effectively still goes to the crux of the state’s substantive authority and constitutes an appropriation of state taxpayer resources absent any present fed court jurisdiction over the matter I believe, absent anything further - which I acknowledge I may not be fully informed on, that the fed court order to “continue recounting “ is invalid on its face. We will see if Michigan chooses to give it any effect, especially now that it’s own court - which clearly has jurisdiction over state elections law - has ruled. IMichigan likely will simply tell
It’s recounters to go home now. And for the sake of closure (purely as a procedural matter of course) Michigan might (but may choose not to) seek vacation of the fed court’s “ procedural
Only” ruling. If I were the Michigan AG. I’d be tempted to not rush any such request right away anyway.


79 posted on 12/06/2016 8:47:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: FredZarguna

Or rather. The AG may file a summary motion to vacate the fed judge’s order based on lack of fed jurisdiction, mootness, etc. especially since the state courts have acted and retain jurisdiction etc. (possibly with an offer of points and authorities but it doesn’t appear from what we’ve heard that a competent fed judge would need them , gotta just check the fed court’s rules of practice is all). We will see if this gets dealt properly or if something else u expectedly happens —?? ).


84 posted on 12/06/2016 9:03:26 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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