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To: Snickering Hound
What could possibly go wrong?

These men and women are United States Marines. Nothing will go wrong.

BTW, if a woman can pass the necessary tests to become a United States Marine, I'd bet that she's probably a better soldier than the average army Infantryman.

Furthermore, most Marines who have served with women are proud to have done so, and consider them every bit as useful a member of their unit as any of the men are.

I used to be opposed to women serving in formal combat roles, but warfare has become so very different than it was in the past.

The traditional concept of companies and regiments of soldiers having at each other in a formally chosen battlefield is simply not the norm anymore.

For this and other reasons, the notion that women can't be effective in combat is outdated. As a free human being, a woman has the same rights as a man to bear arms and engage in self-defense, when necessary, and the fact that women, on average, are not as physically strong as men is not a sufficient reason to reject them outright in serving a combat role, if that's what they want to do.

I'm reminded of the Russian women who served as snipers during WWII. These combatants were extremely lethal, and they served both honorably and effectively. It's utterly ridiculous to argue that these women, acting as spotter and snipers, were not serving in a combat role.

I understand males' instinct to be the protector of women, and the attendant resistance to allowing them to serve in combat. But the notion that a woman can't serve adequately in various combat and combat-related roles is a vestige of the past, bordering on sexist, IMHO...

46 posted on 01/27/2017 7:04:51 PM PST by sargon (LS sez: "The Uniparty Establishment has NO idea what's about to hit them!")
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To: sargon
As a free human being, a woman has the same rights as a man to bear arms and engage in self-defense, when necessary, and the fact that women, on average, are not as physically strong as men is not a sufficient reason to reject them outright in serving a combat role, if that's what they want to do

I was in 1/8 during the push for Fallujah.

I have 4 combat deployments in 5 years and am combat wounded.

It isn't about what they want to do. It is about one thing and one thing only, the mission. If you can't hack it, if special accommodations need to be made for you - it detracts from the mission. It risks lives.

I may be sexist. I probably am sexist.

But, I know what it is like to look at another human being and pull the trigger, twice. And then smoke his buddy in the same heartless fashion, all the while carrying more than 75% of my body weight in gear and weaponry through house to house assault.

You, on the other hand are an idiot.

My true feelings on what I think of dumbasses keyboard warriors like you would get me banned from FR permanently. But, just know that what I think you should do to yourself is generally not anatomically possible.

49 posted on 01/27/2017 7:26:50 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: sargon

A couple things come to mind other than the obvious nature taking its course when these young men and women are out in the field alone and together and sparks start flying.

One is I see no reason why a sniper and her spotter couldn’t work as a unit if both are women. In fact by by being women they might be able to move about undetected better than two men in some cases and demographics such as by wearing a burka that allows the gear they will be carrying to be hidden better.

The second is you seem to be under the impression people, even a well trained and disciplined Marine, can simply turn their humanity off and become akin to a robot. I categorically disagree with this notion. Testosterone and estrogen will kick in at some point no matter how well disciplined someone is. We can fight nature but in the end nature always wins. Been there done that.


54 posted on 01/27/2017 8:01:25 PM PST by Boomer (You can't shame a fascist leftist (liberal) because they don't understand the concept of honor.)
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To: sargon

Perhaps you are right that women can be effective in combat. Nonetheless, it remains a bad idea:

1. It takes one woman to make one baby to continue the nation’s survival as a population. Start losing women in combat and your ability to continue as a nation decreases proportionally.

2. Imminent rapes and degradation for the first infantrygirl captured by ISIS. Or are we expecting ISIS to be all Geneva convention about it?

3. We as a society are dooming ourselves to oblivion by discarding traditional gender roles. Next you will have boys pretending to be girls and demanding the ‘right’ to use whatever bathroom they choose....


57 posted on 01/27/2017 10:01:53 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: sargon

Nobody has a ‘right’ to serve, it is a privilege reserved for those who have the right attributes to be an asset rather than a liability. Even if there are a handful of women physically capable of matching a fit young man in his prime, men will always form the overwhelming majority of combat soldiers, and if their presence upsets the group dynamic and has an effect on morale or a units cohesion and fighting efficiency, then they should be excluded, because the military is about being a lethal and efficient tool, not social justice in providing a new and exciting career opportunity for women.


68 posted on 01/29/2017 4:17:02 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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