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To: meyer
"I was thinking more in terms of they laid down 2 pipes for whatever reason in that spot. Then poured. The concrete will, depending on viscosity, flow to fill around it regardless of the drawing."

Let's puzzle this question….

Below is a reference image proposing a 2 pipe outline formation. Possibilities: 1. What if the mating pipe disconnected and shifted? (this "shifted" & "disconnected" pipe end mating section would have filled the circle area next to the existing pipe). Possibility 2. What if there were 2 pipes, side by side?

Possibility #1 - If accurate, the mating outline should have a curve arc left in the concrete void. But the concrete void has an irregular curve arc (realm of possibility that the end was fractured, leaving a non-smooth arc).

Possibility #2 - 2 complete pipe runs were placed adjacent to each other. Although this goes against the single run drain & longitudinal collection design, stranger things could have happened…. This case would mean that all of the surrounding drain rock must have existed in the blue outlined hatch line area (best estimate).

In order for #2 to match the image, the missing CS area of the rock would have to be puzzled out (also, an answer on how someone kept their job when the foreman saw this…2 pipes vs single pipe construction design). #1 becomes less of a possibility as the volume of the void extends deeper under the concrete. Thus the "disconnected" end would have had to have been shoved beyond the pipe mating intersection. The irregular arc also casts doubt on #1.

So far the best fit is a single drain with "pushed drain rock forming the adjacent hump". Why? Look to the "widening" of the plastic to the left. It is following the original pyramid or "tent" design, albeit irregular from concrete pour forces. Also, the combined volume of the blue outlined area plus the 2nd proposed drain pipe area best fits the total cross-section area of a symmetrical pyramid "tented" design for any original placed rock…… (side note: I find this photo very interesting as it looks like a natural break apart of the concrete slab. For the original drain rock to be present means there was no hard scouring of water after it broke - so where did this piece of evidence come from?).



2,298 posted on 03/07/2017 5:42:32 PM PST by EarthResearcher333
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To: EarthResearcher333

Hello, ER333,
...regarding the 6 inch vitrified clay pipe...
is that 6 inch ID or 6 inch OD?
Do all of the previous drawings and analysis
also take into account the size of the female end flange?
which can add another two inches to the diameter?
(I have laid a bit of this in a past life)
We could be talking about a total of 8 inches
or greater reduction in the thickness of the slab.
I do not understand the logic of making a permeable drain and
then deciding to cover it with an impermeable plastic wrap.
It just does not make sense to me.
I also do not understand why the drains were not located
directly under the slab joints (control joints)
where leakage would be most likely expected to occur.


2,299 posted on 03/07/2017 7:02:57 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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