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Congress tried to fix immigration back in 1986. Why did it fail?
Washington Post ^ | 1-30-13 | Brad Plumer

Posted on 03/03/2017 2:25:22 PM PST by Az Joe

The last time Congress enacted sweeping immigration reform was back in 1986. That bill, signed by Ronald Reagan, looked a lot like the proposals being put forward today. There was a path to citizenship for existing illegal immigrants, coupled with tighter border enforcement


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1986; aliens; immigration; reagan
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1 posted on 03/03/2017 2:25:22 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Az Joe

It’s difficult to “succeed” at something if that isn’t actually your intention...


2 posted on 03/03/2017 2:26:30 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Az Joe

No wall.


3 posted on 03/03/2017 2:26:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: Az Joe

IT didn’t fail.
It worked exactly the way the Democrats intended.
It created a bunch of new Democrat voters, and started a new wave of illegal immigration.


4 posted on 03/03/2017 2:28:23 PM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Oh they got the $$$ for a fence, but that deverted for some project, whatever.... Can you say FRAUD ,,,,


5 posted on 03/03/2017 2:29:49 PM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Az Joe
"Why did it fail? . . . There was a path to citizenship for existing illegal immigrants"

If we give criminals an incentive to continue breaking the law, again, then the next effort is doomed to failure. That is why the Ctrl-Left is so insistent on "comprehensive reform".

6 posted on 03/03/2017 2:30:30 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Az Joe

George Herbert Walker Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Hussein Obama

None of them charged our immigration agents with inland enforcement, went after businesses employing illegals, and did not even always return illegals caught on the border.

At least one of these nimrods ran for office saying he wanted to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens, this causing as many as between 2.5 to 3.5 million illegals to cross our southern border in the 2000s.

Gee! I wonder why we have a problem. Let me give it some thought...


7 posted on 03/03/2017 2:30:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: DoughtyOne

...this causing as many as between 2.5 to 3.5 million illegals to cross our southern border YEARLY in the 2000s.


8 posted on 03/03/2017 2:31:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: Az Joe
It failed because it gave amnesty without first securing the borders and laws. It has failed each time since for the same reasons. People come because they realize we have given in rather than deport most. THIS HAS TO STOP. (1) Establish clear statement that the laws will be followed, (2) Announce that anyone deportable will be deported regardless of how long they have been in the US, (3) Close the border, seal it, and only open it as sections become secure. Do all at once.

President Trump needs to announce that ALL immigration laws will be enforced and that anyone identified as an illegal alien WILL be deported. Start with those that publicly snub Americans and the law. Arrest and immediately deport them.

9 posted on 03/03/2017 2:31:34 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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To: Little Ray
It worked exactly the way the Democrats intended.

And the way a lot of Republicans in Congress wanted, though they were more interested in cheap labor than in future voters.

10 posted on 03/03/2017 2:33:11 PM PST by x
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To: Az Joe; All

It failed because President Reagan trusted the democrats to do their part to tighten up security at the border and as usual they lied.


11 posted on 03/03/2017 2:35:55 PM PST by The Bat Lady (God made the cat in order to give man the pleasure of petting the tiger. Unknown)
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To: Az Joe

It failed because the enforcement mechanisms were never fully implemented thanks to George HW Bush.
The border was never secured thanks to him and his son who had a golden opportunity after 9/11 to get that done.
What we ended up with is 10 times the number of illegal aliens and a general disregard for ALL of our laws by foreign nationals.
There was a bipartisan plan to force us into another amnesty by flooding the country with illegal aliens.

Alexander, Corker, Flake, Graham, Hatch, Heller, Hoeven, McCain, Murkowsky and Rubio all voted for the Gang of Amnesty and should be removed from office.


12 posted on 03/03/2017 2:37:06 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: The Bat Lady

It was George HW Bush’s responsibility to implement the enforcement measures and he never did.

The treason was bipartisan.


13 posted on 03/03/2017 2:39:52 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Az Joe

It is what the Democrats do to get what they want.

They get their end upfront with empty promises to fulfill their end of the bargain later. And later never comes.

They do the same thing on tax increases/spending cuts. The taxpayer gets the tax increase but the spending cuts never happen.


14 posted on 03/03/2017 2:45:43 PM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: Az Joe

All carrot, no stick.


15 posted on 03/03/2017 2:47:18 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: Az Joe

that’s easy. it failed because it was an amnesty.


16 posted on 03/03/2017 2:47:21 PM PST by dadfly
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To: DoughtyOne
At least one of these nimrods ran for office saying he wanted to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens, this causing as many as between 2.5 to 3.5 million illegals to cross our southern border in the 2000s.

And, at least one of them wanted a "new America". One where spanish could be heard on every street corner. Now I think I know why GW never criticized Obunghole - he was succeeding where GW had failed...

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

17 posted on 03/03/2017 2:51:29 PM PST by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: Az Joe

The idea was the border would be secured, tough immigration laws passed, those that had been here for a period of time (I think it was 20 years) and could show they had been working, upstanding people could qualify for citizenship. The reasoning was to actually solve the border issues that had become out of control under Carter.

The border was not secured. The same failed policy that Carter had in place remained, mainly not having Border Patrol on the actual border. At first it wasn’t too bad because there was some more manpower added, but after the first Bush took office, not so much.

Tough immigration laws were passed but when they were enforced in a meaningful way people got up in arms that the laws were too tough, not fair, ETC. So lax enforcement became the norm, and continued up to Obama where enforcement was a complete joke.

Citizenship for illegals turned out to be a huge scam. To qualify they were to present notarized letters from employers or other proof they had been working here, living here the required time. False documents allowed many illegals to become citizens that did not qualify. Surprisingly many who did qualify did not apply. When questioned most of them were happy with the way things were but their biggest issue was they did not want to pay taxes!

This is why when politicians bring up “immigration reform” or a path to citizenship we will not even begin to go there. Those of us living on the border have been there, done that, and have the t shirt.


18 posted on 03/03/2017 2:53:10 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: The Bat Lady
It failed because President Reagan trusted the democrats to do their part to tighten up security at the border and as usual they lied.

And equally because President Reagan was succeeded by GHWB, who was the president who began the practice of mostly non-enforcement after the 1986 'comprehensive reform' of immigration.

19 posted on 03/03/2017 2:55:39 PM PST by Will88
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To: Az Joe

Because congress did not secure the border. Carter also tried and again congress just kept the border open


20 posted on 03/03/2017 2:58:42 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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