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Supreme Court Justice Slams Civil Forfeiture (Clarence Thomas)
the Newspaper ^ | 03/08/2017 | n/a

Posted on 03/18/2017 12:55:10 PM PDT by Ken H

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1 posted on 03/18/2017 12:55:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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They proclaim loudly that they respect the Constitution. Then they pass laws like this, being sure to give it a nice-sounding name, like Civil Asset Forfeiture.
There is no forfeiture in this at all. It’s seizure. This is theft and a violation of the Constitution.


2 posted on 03/18/2017 12:58:10 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: F*ck you.)
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To: Ken H

IMO Clarence Thomas is one of the best Justices we’ve ever had - in some ways better than Scalia in faithfulness to the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended. We need four or five more just like him in the Suprme Court to steer our country back to being a Free Constitutional Republic where the Supreme Court does NOT unconstitutionally make national law and where their decisions ARE constitutionally based.


3 posted on 03/18/2017 12:59:35 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Ken H

When Justice Thomas speaks one does well to listen!


4 posted on 03/18/2017 1:01:08 PM PDT by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: Billyv

“When Justice Thomas speaks one does well to listen!”

Remember what they did to him? This stuff with Trump is not new. The only new thing is fighting back.


5 posted on 03/18/2017 1:09:33 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Jim 0216

“in some ways better than Scalia in faithfulness to the Constitution”

When Scalia put the “substantive effect” commerce test on steroids to fight the War on Pot, Thomas rightly called it a “rootless and malleable standard.”


6 posted on 03/18/2017 1:10:29 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Ken H
Justice Thomas made his observations in the case of Lisa Olivia Leonard who was stopped in the notorious speed trap town of Cleveland, Texas on April 1, 2013 for allegedly driving 71 MPH in a 65 zone. The officers on the scene took $201,100 in cash she had in a safe, alongside a bill of sale for a house. For procedural reasons, the high court turned down Leonard's appeal, but Justice Thomas is looking forward to the opportunity of revisiting the forfeiture issue.

Good Lord! I pray you reverse this! Amen.

7 posted on 03/18/2017 1:15:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: I want the USA back

No forfeiture without a conviction. But how do you prevent the real criminals from disposing of all their assets, leaving nothing to seize after conviction?


8 posted on 03/18/2017 1:15:42 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I therefore STRONGLY urge you all to get behind this and see it made law!

Rand Paul introduces the most sweeping reform of civil asset forfeiture law in decades

9 posted on 03/18/2017 1:17:54 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: JimRed

First you worry about following procedure and doing the right thing. The “real criminals” won’t have much left after the lawyers get through with them, anyway.


10 posted on 03/18/2017 1:20:10 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Ken H

I’m surprised the Supreme Court hasn’t already struck this down. It seems like one of those issues where the conservatives, like Thomas, and ACLU Ginsburg would agree.


11 posted on 03/18/2017 1:22:36 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Alas Babylon!

Beyond belief! Some bubba cops hit the gambling boat and whorehouse that night, you can be sure.


12 posted on 03/18/2017 1:42:48 PM PDT by bigbob
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“But how do you prevent the real criminals from disposing of all their assets”

Freeze them - you don’t need civil forfeiture to do that.


13 posted on 03/18/2017 1:50:15 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Ken H

God Bless Justice Thomas. He and Alito are the only sane ones left.


14 posted on 03/18/2017 1:53:49 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Jim 0216

Scalia was conflicted about Wickard....

15 posted on 03/18/2017 2:18:43 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Ken H

Damned straight.

It’s piracy under the rubric of givernment and it’s convoluted moral imperative and a conceit of imprimatur to enforce their deceit...


16 posted on 03/18/2017 2:21:55 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Paladin2

Wonder where Gorsuch falls ...


17 posted on 03/18/2017 2:31:36 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
THAT has totally been my question for a month now.

I have access neither to the data nor to the AlGoreRhythm, so am at a loss but would like to know.

18 posted on 03/18/2017 2:38:29 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Ken H

Hear hear. It’s theft, it’s guilty until proven innocent, it’s rejection of due process, it’s usually unreasonable search and seizure both, it’s deprivation of rights under color of law, and it’s straight up corruption.


19 posted on 03/18/2017 2:47:55 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Paladin2

Interesting graphs. (Don’t know who Merrick B. Garlan is but it would interesting to see Judge Robert Bork’s anticipated place on the graph if he hadn’t been “borked” by Ted Kennedy’s demagoguery and lies. IMO, Bork was capable of having been one of the greatest justices on the Supreme Court.)

Although I usually agreed with Scalia’s decisions, I found myself disagreeing with his reasoning many times as often it seemed he would use something other than the Constitution as the basis for his decisions.

Thomas’ record shows reasoning more often based on the Constitution as originally understood and intended.

IMO, Scalia’s weakness was his rigid adherence to “textualism”. I agreed with his philosophy to the extent that the words and text of the Constitution should always be the starting place. But if there is ambiguity or a good-faith disagreement about the meaning of the word(s) in the context of a given clause, then original understanding of the use of the word(s) should come into play. And after that inquiry, if there is still good-faith reason(s) that the word(s) themselves in the context could be interpreted more than one way, then further inquiry into original intent should come into play.

Scalia rejected those further inquiries out of hand leading to what I believe were often flawed rationale and sometimes flawed decisions as in Gonzales v. Raich. The Commerce Clause (CC) is a good example of the need for good-faith inquiry of original intent which almost certainly was limited to removing hindrances to interstate commerce - nowhere near the sweeping powers the feds have assumed through misinterpretation, misuse, and misapplication of the CC.


20 posted on 03/18/2017 3:04:35 PM PDT by Jim W N
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