[wiseprince]

The question is if you get 60% of what you want and 40% of what you hate do you take that over 100% over what you hate? What about 50/50? FC can always say they won because hey can continue to blame Ocare for all the problems and they don't "own" it. That's not leadership and one thing everyone should see is that where things are now will not improve anything. Trump may have to work with Dems to fix Obamacare. How that is better than the bill that was on the table..I don't know. Other than well, we don't own it by again... That's not leadership. Leaders WANT​ to take ownership

[sourcery]

Be refusing to accept legislation that won't work, we let the even worse legislation fail even more miserably. And get none of the blame. That's a far better outcome than signing on to legislation that will also fail, but for which we will then own.

[Anima Mundi]

To own is to put one’s name on something and vouch for it. I might do that if the poison were to be taken out of the product. But if I believed the poisonous or harmful parts were still in there, I would never put my name or brand on it which would be lying to people and telling them, “this is pretty much okay and you can count on that because my name is on it. “

Did the bill allow buying insurance across state lines? Did it keep 26-year-olds on it? Did it take out the most objectionable parts? Real questions that I don’t know the true answers to. If it got rid of the really bad stuff, I agree with you. If not, I don’t.

Maybe Ryan could have brought people in ahead of time, gotten input and worked behind the scenes before putting it out there and trying to force issues in a binary way and threaten them.

A “no exemptions” component might have won some people over. If it is good for us, it is good for them and probably vice-versa. Conservatives have been burned by things done in stages. They give in and then the other stages that give them their points just don’t happen.