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To: ontap

Right on. I cannot believe Trump went along with this. I hear all the deflecting here but Trump really did want this thing to pass. BS that he was giving them rope. He promised us a “beautiful bill” and if he thought that bill was beautiful I am beginning to wonder what his definition of beautiful is!


14 posted on 03/27/2017 4:15:38 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: New Jersey Realist

A scotus pick that goes to a progressive church..probably another Kennedy


17 posted on 03/27/2017 4:20:18 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: New Jersey Realist

You were warned.


21 posted on 03/27/2017 4:22:53 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: New Jersey Realist

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am sure forcing veterans into substandard care was beautiful to trump somehow. If you forgot his reform party run and fell for his act, then, what can Constitutionalists say? Next up, amnesty for dreamers, a Trillion dollar stimulus union bailout, because we didn’t have enough of that in the last ten years. Now I’m thinking he is just going to wall illegals in.. if indeed there really is a wall built.


46 posted on 03/27/2017 5:02:56 AM PDT by momincombatboots (pathway to citizenship... Amnesty history repeats. Walling Illegals In wasn't the idea moron!)
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To: New Jersey Realist

I appears his opinion isn’t what you and me think it is!!!!


54 posted on 03/27/2017 5:14:46 AM PDT by ontap
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To: New Jersey Realist; All

“...I am beginning to wonder what his definition of beautiful is!”

Trump has always been clear that he is not opposed to big govt, he spoke well of the existing entitlements often and spewed liberal rhetoric about not letting people die in the streets, etc regarding his own approach to HC - and don’t forget the infamous interview where he mentioned HC as a top/primary function of the federal government.

FreeRepublic is a microcosmic analogy to the point of this article. Which is that the future is dark for Freedom.

The article points out how the balance of opposition to the crappy Ryan/Trump-care bill suggests that the next bloody attempt will likely be more left-leaning than was this left-leaning failure - loved and supported by Trump.

And, by my own estimation, the balance of support for Freedom on this FreeRepublic site is likewise tilting more left than I recall in the past.

To some extent the idolization of our party’s successful Hillary-slaying, invasion-fixing, plain-speaking, America-loving president is to blame.

Trump is fantastic is some areas. But giving him, or anyone, a pass on mistakes is not the recipe for improvement.

Trigger warning.... Trump was wrong.

Supporting the bill was wrong. Blaming the only white hats in this dark comedy, the Freedom Caucus, was wrong. The childish remarks about the HFC saving Obamacare, PP, etc was embarrassingly wrong.

No need to pretend it did not happen and no need to totally abandon Trump over these faults. As well, no need to compromise our collective and individual integrity in some misguided effort to shift blame.

The FR analogy is evidenced by people here considering the HFC an enemy, by supporting various forms of federal level entitlement/subsidy, by agreeing feds should make permanent Obamacare-created popular regulations, etc. Their arguments are not intentionally immoral but they are at least in part intellectually lazy - from the perspective of American Freedom.

I find it hard to believe there has ever existed a political party as inept as today’s Republicans in capitalizing on historic levels of voter-promoted dominance across both the branches and levels of government.

With the House, the Senate, the WH, soon the court, the vast majority of Govs and state houses... this is perhaps the most opportune juncture in American history to right some of the biggest, most suicidal wrongs of our leftward drift.

This won’t happen, but could be yuge and beautiful if it did: Trump starts to lead instead of deflect. And starts to leverage his best skills: showmanship and sorta bigger-than-life on-screen presence. Calls for a very open HC Freedom summit. Invite the feds and the states and the internet. Then highlight the guys he can most identify with, the state executives, the Govs - who generally love to brag about their state-level programs, let’s get their public input and assistance in moving HC functions back into their domain/control where it constitutionally acceptable. Trump is a lousy policy-level politician, but he’s blessed with a great personality and his own style of charisma - he should put it to work on a level that works.

It boggles my mind how quickly some folks, theoretically on Freedom’s Right hand, will support a leftward fed level regulation/subsidy if it seems somehow morally correct to them. Because, in my opinion, they fall prey to the destructive leaven which has infected both parties: the notion that no good will ever be accomplished if not done via the biggest, most impersonal and ineffective level of government. When the exact opposite is true.

Another thing which mind-boggles is the near ubiquitous acceptance of a dreadfully misguided pairing of issues: health care and welfare. Naturally, neither should involve the federal government. But regardless the level involved these are two square pegs we keep trying to shove into some sort of love and happiness drum circle.

Get the gov’t the hell out of HC and insurance and both will be affordable by nature. Then, to the extent they feel necessary, states can get involved on the welfare issue. Entirely separate from HC law/regs. Whether that means states subsidizing individuals costs to join high risk pools for the unfortunately preconditioned, helping the poor pay for low-cost/low-feature insurance, providing low levels of direct care for the poor instead of insurance or simply leaving most things to the market and private charities, none of it should matter to the feds other than help removing decades of barriers.

Health care is only as expensive as it is today because govt designs regarding it are corrupted with an unrelated prime directive to deliver welfare. We can argue and disagree about welfare all day long. In the meantime it is killing our health care system for no good reason other than misguided politics.


120 posted on 03/27/2017 6:34:40 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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