Luthers handiwork.
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Posted on 04/01/2017 7:10:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
It doesn’t matter if he was God uses flawed vessels mightily all the time Thank God He does because none of us are perfect. Whatever Luthers faults they have no bearing on the facts of the Reformation.
Maybe not, but the point is "What do I care about that 500 years later" when gay marriage, pedophilia, abortion, etc. is condoned by many churches? These are bigger problems.
Only if he really wrote it.
Hitler has nothing on this scumbag.
Hardly I doubt the mosque would welcome his passionate defense of the Gospel. There are more than a few cringeworthy anti Semitic statements by Catholics as well. One cannot throw out the good because it comes through a flawed and all too human vessel.
Re: “Tragically, Adolph Hitler thought that Luther was a genius who figured out how dangerous the Jewish people were. And the date that many historians mark as the beginning of the Holocaust, Nov. 9, 1938, was the day that Hitler put Luther’s advice into practice, setting on fire and vandalizing Jewish synagogues, shops, and homes”.
But Hitler’s anti-semitism was not based on Luther. The “bible” for Hitler’s anti-semitism was the ancient Roman historian Tacitus’s book “Germania”. Read “A Most Dangerous Book: Tacitus’s Germania from the Roman Empire to the Third Reich” by Christopher Krebs.
Luthers handiwork.
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Really Hitler slaughtered 6 million Jews Luther systematically called out the corruption and heresy in the Catholic Church and set Uncounted believers free to follow Gods word I see how one could mix them up....
Luther would be more appalled at that spectacle than you are Would the Catholics like to own Nancy Pelosi?
“True, but at the same time let’s waste some time by revisiting “perfecting ways of making sealing wax”.”
When “perfecting ways of making sealing wax” has a dramatic impact upon western thought I will. Until then your comment is really just silly.
“If you’re going to get worked up, I suggest starting at the present time - where so called “mainstream Christian churches” condone (and sometimes PROMOTE) homosexuality, abortion, pedophilia and - islam.”
And I would suggest that religious deviance now is rooted in religious deviance BACK THEN so to study one is to help understand the other. This is what thoughtful people do.
“When those are solved, then let’s work our way back and discuss what shaped some guy’s attitudes 500 years ago.”
You can’t solve what has already happened. But you can improve your understanding of it to help with things now. Any other view is a waste of time because it doesn’t take into account human nature, the need for the historical perspective or common sense.
Luther wrote in an early modern form of German. Acutally, his Bible translation was instrumental in forming the modern German language (as a language that could be understood by people in a large geographical area as opposed to dialects that outsiders have trouble understanding). Luther’s Bible was a great achievement in European culture and language.
The negative side of Luther is that his anti-Jewish rants were something the Nazis could easily dust off and publish for their propaganda/incitements. True, for Luther it was a religious thing while the Nazis believed in a bizarre, racist pseudo-science. But words like “burn down their synagogues” obviously meant exactly that - and worse things.
Interesting; here’s a review of it:
http://art-of-attack.blogspot.com/2012/06/best-book-on-martin-luther-now.html?m=1
“But Hitler’s anti-semitism was not based on Luther. The “bible” for Hitler’s anti-semitism was the ancient Roman historian Tacitus’s book “Germania”. Read “A Most Dangerous Book: Tacitus’s Germania from the Roman Empire to the Third Reich” by Christopher Krebs.”
Hitler’s anti-semiticism was not based on just one book. And he did use Luther in any case:
https://www.amazon.com/Demonizing-Jews-Luther-Protestant-Germany/dp/0253001005
http://scholarship.rollins.edu/mls/20/
Good point! That is so true!
For instance,
"I would slap his [the Jew's] face and, if I could, fling him to the ground and, in my anger, pierce him with my sword”--- means much different today. In today's language, the meaning is "Allahu Akbar."
http://ww2f.com/threads/sch%C3%B6nerer-hitlers-forerunner.44289/
“I was rather astonished that Georg Ritter von Schönerer, the Nazi forerunner, has never been mentioned at this forum. He was the »Fuhrer’s Fuhrer«. Understanding the Schönerians is fundamental for understading the Nazi movement.
Hitler’s compatriot, born in 1842 in Vienna, pan-German, anti-Slav, anti-Semite, anti-Catholic, Schönerer had significant influence on Austrian and German political thought of the late 19th century. He initiated the climate of hatred and intolerance that Hitler drove to the climax about twenty years later.”
As Christians we must remember that no mere human has ever lived without dreadful, soul-damning sin -- not Paul, Peter, John, Joseph, Mary or anyone else. Like us, they were all sinners solely dependent upon the substitution of God's perfect lamb, Jesus Christ, who lived a sinless life, died a sacrificial death in our place, and overcame the ultimate penalty of sin by his miraculous resurrection. Were we to have authored God's plan from the beginning, none of us would have chosen a single one of the key actors whom God selected. God's strength is displayed in our weakness.
Those who believe that Luther’s attitude toward Jews was in any way unusual should simply review the attitude of a Luther contemporary, Pope Paul IV.
Even if true has nothing to do with the truth of the reformation,. There are as many or more deitrich Bonhoeffers as nazis I note the Catholic Church did little to stand up to Hitler If you want to debate the reformation let’s do that You are wasting your time e trying to deflect from the great truths of the reformation by smearing some of its adherents I freely admit Luther had deep flaws But you see protestants don’t see their priests and leaders as infallible so it has no effect on the issues that sparked the Reformation I worship Christ not Luther
The history of Europe includes a history of hating Jews. Martin Luthor reinforced the hatred of Jews. The story of Hansel and Gretel originally had the witch as Jewish. And the witch (Jewish) was tossed into the oven. The history of the Land of Christiandom led up(or down) to the German death camps. Along the way the Land of Christiandom had influences from the Moslems. The Christians learned various techniques of cruelties from the Moslems.
If you fart near a gas stove there may be a fire.
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