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When cops encounter knives, shooting is not the only option (barf alert)
Chicag Tribune ^ | 6 apr 2017 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 04/06/2017 8:28:18 AM PDT by rellimpank

The man in the Camden, N.J., police video is practically begging to be shot. After using a knife to menace a cashier and a customer in a fast-food restaurant, he strides down a street slashing at the air as police repeatedly order him to drop his weapon. The man keeps walking, defiantly waving the knife.

Several cops form a ring around him and move along at a safe distance, block after block. This goes on for several tense minutes, as the viewer waits for shots to ring out. But they never do. Eventually, the man drops the knife and is collared.

It's a reasonably happy outcome. Had the 2015 incident occurred a year earlier, before the department adopted new tactics, "we would more than likely have deployed deadly force and moved on," Chief J. Scott Thomson told The New York Times. Instead, the offender survived, and no cop had to deal with the trauma of killing him.

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To: fungoking

I am interested in blade training. It sounds like you had a great instructor.


41 posted on 04/06/2017 9:21:58 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
"thug with a knife who is within 15 feet of you can become lethal is a few seconds"

And he can still be lethal even if you put a round in him. The are tons of instances where a perp kept coming even after taking one to the chest. And there are a lot of police training videos on youtube demonstrating that a thug with a knife at 30 feet can close and stab an officer before the officer can unholster and present his weapon. And in those videos the officer knew he was going to be coming.

42 posted on 04/06/2017 9:25:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rellimpank

The épée might be an appropriate counter weapon to subdue the perp.


43 posted on 04/06/2017 9:25:57 AM PDT by batterycommander (I learned my Artillery skills from the United States Marines. USNA 65)
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To: rellimpank

This article was written by a complete fool who has no connection to the real world.


44 posted on 04/06/2017 9:26:36 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: rellimpank
BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Just a lucky but reckless gamble. How many times was the perp within a split second lunge from killing someone - because the cops did not contain him in one place but allowed him to roam while merely following him in a circle?

Here's a video of another incident where cops also failed to contain a perp with a knife - when he decided to use it. Try to count how many wind up stabbed!

"WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT 18+ knife wielding man attacks/stabs police"

45 posted on 04/06/2017 9:26:41 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Yo-Yo
Had to make sure that showed up on the thread.

You have my seal of approval!

...as if you needed it ":^)

46 posted on 04/06/2017 9:37:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: murrie; All

—one of my favorite movie scenes-—


47 posted on 04/06/2017 9:55:19 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Yo-Yo

—yep—( I replied to #8 before I saw your post)


48 posted on 04/06/2017 9:57:26 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Bayan

Exactly right.


49 posted on 04/06/2017 10:04:36 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: drpix

Holy cow.


50 posted on 04/06/2017 10:07:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: chris37

I guess you don’t remember all the “Steve Chapmans” whining about that scene shortly after the debut?


51 posted on 04/06/2017 10:07:59 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: rellimpank

Why do people on the left give a care about human life? They don’t believe we are anything but another animal. They tend to believe that a cow and an ant are of equal worth as a human. So why do they freak out over a police shooting” They hold the view that there are too many humans on the planet, and they are more negative than positive on the grand scale of things, so why the freak out over police shootings of obvious defectives?


52 posted on 04/06/2017 10:10:24 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: When do we get liberated?
That scene was supposed to be a swordfight ...

Actually, the original scene was a sword-against-bullwhip fight. The deleted scene is around.

53 posted on 04/06/2017 10:12:07 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: rellimpank

In the meantime, how many crimes could the large number of cops who had to be called in for this have prevented / investigated? This type of intervention is not cost free.


54 posted on 04/06/2017 10:22:07 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: rellimpank

Patrol cars are not equipped with chain-link butterfly nets, unfortunately!


55 posted on 04/06/2017 10:22:37 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: chris37
The most dangerous knife you can wield is the knife your opponent never even saw.

A well-sharpened pencil or a steel shelled pen works adequately, too.

56 posted on 04/06/2017 10:25:29 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Here's the sword fight scene during rehersals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ_UmCxv1G0

57 posted on 04/06/2017 10:25:29 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rellimpank
Ninja throwing stars

They're tacticool.

http://www.budk.com/Ninja-Stars-2954

58 posted on 04/06/2017 10:26:46 AM PDT by BlueDragon (I came upon Mother Goose So I turned her loose She was screaming)
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To: Calvin Locke

I do not. In fact, I am not even sure who Steve Chapman is.

I was very young when that movie came out.


59 posted on 04/06/2017 10:28:07 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: JimRed

Yes, but of course not as effective as a stout fixed blade knife.

But I think the primary advantage one should seek with a melee weapon is to get in range of use without your target suspecting an attacking is coming.

The secondary advantage is to have practiced a series of lethal and debilitating strikes that can be delivered before the target knows what is occurring.

You do not want to provide them any opportunity to counter or evade.


60 posted on 04/06/2017 10:30:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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